Why those specific people?
by El Kabong (2021-08-02 12:33:04)

In reply to: Im not sure #3 is completely correct  posted by DBCooper


I understand blaming the unvaccinated collectively, but these people who have decided in the last week to get vaccinated have not had C19, or at least not the Delta, and ergo cannot have contributed to any "delta headache".

In fact, they're taking steps to reduce that headache in the coming weeks by not becoming tinder for the burning.


Because if they haven't had it and transmitted it ...
by Ofcr. Tim McCarthy  (2021-08-02 13:14:09)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

... (which, as noted below, cannot or at least will not be determined for hardly any of them), then it's pure luck that they haven't. They were engaged in the same petulant, selfish behavior as the willingly-unvaccinated people who did catch it and transmit it. Yes, you got lucky, and yes, it's good that you're finally knuckling under, and yes, you can have a shot now, and now go home and sit in the corner and think about what you've done.


That'll get people into Walgreens
by El Kabong  (2021-08-02 15:05:38)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

"Yeah, we know you've finally gotten off the fence and you're doing the right thing, but you still suck and we still will shame you."


Fair point.
by Ofcr. Tim McCarthy  (2021-08-02 15:21:20)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

"You have knuckled under now that the consequences of your childish behavior have been made clear to you by the fresh graves of other Americans who were doing the same stupid thing.

But I know you need your feelings to be taken care of, because if there's one thing that a proud freedom-loving American can't handle, it's regret. So good job getting your shot, champ. You sure were a brave boy, and don't you worry yourself one little bit about your dead neighbors. They're all gone now, and you don't suck."


Right
by El Kabong  (2021-08-02 16:38:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

God forbid we abandon any chance to look down on our neighbors.

I, OTOH, convinced one of my non-vaxing friends to get their first shot Saturday. That makes five of them in the last two months. I found that patience and a distinct lack of smarmy self-righteousness went a very long way to getting the job done. Which, after all, is the point.

May not do much to the numerator, but it's better than nothing.


Is there a particular message/ argument that has been
by enduff  (2021-08-03 08:02:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Most effective when persuading your friends?


Do you know how many people I can dart in two months?
by Molly Maguires  (2021-08-03 07:56:30)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Give me a fire team of Marines we’ll have this fixed in a month.

Let me choose those Marines myself it’ll be a couple weeks


We don't know that for sure either, correct?
by okerland  (2021-08-02 12:57:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Hasn't the belief been that asymptomatic people would never know they had covid unless it was through contact tracing?

So if one asymptomatic person passes it on to another at like a restaurant, you're not going to get a test unless you get a call from the contact tracers.


because there is zero reason to have been unvaccinated
by DBCooper  (2021-08-02 12:47:10)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

by the summer (outside the few who cant get vaccinated that have been described here before). Yes, its great they Finally are getting vaccinated, but if they had done so in the spring the delta variant would not have as many hosts to invade and you wouldnt see the large amount of cases, hospitalizations, and soon deaths, we are seeing now. Which is therefore causing various governments to start a new wave of restrictions and mandates which thus creates the "headache" for the vaccinated people.

They are taking the steps to help reduce the headache now, sure, but alot of the damage we are dealing with now is already done. And alot of these procrastinators (if that is their excuse) are too late to the party as we have seen many asking for the vaccine while in the hospital from covid. That too little too late attitude not just affects them personally, but affects their families, the doctors and nurses who have to deal with them as patients, and eventually vaccinated people as well (though clearly not at the level of the first two groups).


What about the people who are vaccinated and have Covid-19?
by jamnd74  (2021-08-02 13:14:53)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Some of the spike in Covid in the past two weeks is attributed to people who have had the vaccine.


small percentage of known cases
by DBCooper  (2021-08-02 13:20:03)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

but even so, they are not, as far as I can tell, leading the inc. in hospitalizations, which is the most important part