Weis understood Notre Dame.
by Revue Party (2018-01-19 10:06:23)

In reply to: Sobering recruiting fact — Kelly has underperformed  posted by Elgreco89


After 8 years, Kelly seems no closer to understanding it than when he started. That's probably why he's been so hellbent into turning it into something else.

Despite his lack of head coaching skill and boorish behavior, I think Weis could authentically sell Notre Dame to an elite athlete. I suspect Kelly comes across more like a run of the mill politician promising that Progress is his middle name.


Weis may have understood ND
by Camarillo Brillo  (2018-01-20 19:11:43)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

He may have "gotten it." But it meant fuck-all on the field.

Weis had success his first two years because all the pieces were in place for him; a quarterback who had a good arm and was coachable, 2-3 wide receivers who played at a very high level their junior and senior years, a veteran tight end who could catch, a running back who was a solid receiver out of the backfield and an offensive line talented enough to allow the plays to develop.

Once he had to build a team from scratch, he was fucked.

Plus he was a bona fide arrogant asshole with numerous documented episodes of him shitting on alumni and fans alike.

You can tell it's gotten really bad that we're to the point of being nostalgic for Charlie Fucking Weis.


This is just a dumb post
by DwightSchrute  (2018-01-23 22:35:03)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Sorry but Weis basically had 2 recruiting classes (last Davie, first TW) and then the 2 recruiting classes that were the equivalent to the death penalty were juniors and seniors in 2008. Blaming CW for that is simply stupid. He had one year with his recruiting classes - and it wasn't a good year, but it wasn't 4-8 either. He was a significantly better in-game coach than our current head coach. I'd go as far as to say Charlie Weis saved Notre Dame football. Nobody of significance wanted that job seeing TW put the program in a deep ditch. I completely agree that Charlie had his drawbacks, and some were significant, but much of what happened to him is not his fault. And need I remind you who's recruits almost completely dominated the field for BK's 12-0 season? So if you want to rip Charlie's attitude, fine. If you want to rep his last year's on-field product, fair. But to refer to him as you did above is just dumb and completely lacks perspective or appreciation of where TW left the program, which was on the side of the road in a ditch to die. Its just too bad ND couldn't have hired a better follow up to him than we have.


At least we had no cheating scandals under Weis.
by daviehamsufferer97  (2018-01-21 15:46:59)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I just threw up in my mouth.


Any examples of him in regards to the alumni? *
by Fifthhorseman  (2018-01-21 15:35:52)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Any examples of him in regards to the alumni? *
by Fifthhorseman  (2018-01-21 15:30:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


His downfall in recruiting was he left certain positions
by 84david  (2018-01-19 12:19:34)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

completely bare or hurting for depth.

But he did bust ass when targeting truly
elite 5* players. (Floyd, Tate, Teo, Clausen
Crist, to name a few.)


How can you say that after the 2005 extension? *
by shea  (2018-01-19 12:09:25)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


The 2005 extension proves Weis knew ND
by dulacshakur  (2018-01-19 16:58:30)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

He (or, probably more accurately, his agent) knew our feckless leadership would be so punch drunk by our near victory over USC that they'd give him whatever he wanted -- a full seven games into a five-year contract.

I'm sure Swarbrick took up where White left off when negotiating Kelly's most recent extension.


Ahem. Doctor White. *
by Saxattack29  (2018-01-19 17:05:24)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


He demands that Notre Dame understand HIM. *
by 1NDGal  (2018-01-19 10:49:09)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


I think he believes it has to change to his vision and
by tenndomer  (2018-01-19 11:06:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

he's convinced his boss of the same.


Correct: Tunnel smoke, Jumbotron, turf, club gug *
by irishhawk49  (2018-01-19 13:09:02)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


I think you've hit on something.
by Saxattack29  (2018-01-19 10:40:29)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Starting, on, 100 years ago, we have had the following coaches who indisputably wanted to be here and weren't a threat to leave (Rockne's occasional game of chicken with the collars is of course noted for the record)

Harper
Rockne
Anderson
Layden
Leahy
Devore
Kuharich
Parseghian
Devine
Faust
Holtz
Weis

The exceptions to this rule are
Davie
Willingham
Kelly (see Eagles, dalliance with)


Weis would have gone to the NFL for more money.
by rick  (2018-01-19 11:48:12)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

That's why we had to give him the monster extention.
And Rockne did more than play chicken. He signed a contract with Columbia.


I disagree
by Paddy O'Furniture  (2018-01-20 13:31:55)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Not only did I know this personally, he echoed it in a recent interview when Charlie, Jr was in the news.

It was a very good interview on Sirius College radio.
He was asked about things he would change. At Kansas, nothing... he told them it would take 6 years and he was fired in year 3 at 2-2.

At ND: "That's the biggest regret in my life. I didn't want to go anywhere else. It is my Alma Mater. I love the place. I still have a home there and a charity there and they will stay there and I will live there. My biggest regret is I put guys together on the staff that really didn't know each other well and I didn't manage that well. It's all on me. I learned a lot from that and regret what happened there but at the end of the day, that's on me."


while he was saying that
by jt  (2018-01-20 20:01:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I wonder if he was holding the Coors light that he boasts about drinking every year that he gets paid by ND despite no longer coaching there?


He kind of has a point about Kansas
by ShermanOaksND  (2018-01-20 14:32:38)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Weis was 6-22 there. Since he left, KU has gone 4-40.

At least he realizes how he screwed up at ND. It's impossible to tell if he's to blame for Kansas, since that program has been screwed up since Mangino was fired.


We certainly didn't "have" to do that *
by ShermanOaksND  (2018-01-19 18:37:06)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


It would probably depend on the situation and the figure.
by tdiddy07  (2018-01-19 12:54:46)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I don't think he would've jumped for any raise to any team. But for the right team and the right number, who knows. Although I think that number would've had to have been really big in those first couple years. He was really happy and he had a great family setup for his daughter's foundation. It wouldn't have been an easy sell. But he certainly maximized his position. And, while he made a comfortable salary, it wasn't deemed to be outrageous in his first two years. The number of guaranteed years, however, was outrageous. While I don't doubt that an extension would've had a positive recruiting outcome, that large of an extension was not necessary to quell the rumors.