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One thing on which we all need to be crystal clear - El Kabong 2018-11-28 21:34:47
Summary: Swarbrick and USA Gymnastics - harmonica 2018-01-28 13:45:58
OWHF Contest Page (link) - El Kabong 2018-09-02 11:54:23

FEI: ND-Michigan only non-conf game between top-20 teams. - G.K.Chesterton 2018-12-12 23:34:53 [Tag Thread]

How did last year's grad transfers do? - elgreco89 2018-12-12 17:10:07 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- Wasnt there a Clemson DL grad - Homeboy73 2018-12-12 23:24:22
- Outside of Watkins, it appears they were depth players - Rocket7 2018-12-12 17:13:02
  - I don't know what happened to Sanders - revressbo 2018-12-12 17:24:09
    - Brian Kelly happened to him * - TAR 2018-12-12 23:52:31
    - Sanders is redshirting 2018 after appearing in four games. (link) - G.K.Chesterton 2018-12-12 21:23:47
    - Two totally unrelated issues IMO - Tex Francisco 2018-12-12 18:00:06

I remember when Alabama was 0-4 against ND. - Boomer80 2018-12-12 15:51:21 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- Didn't he lose two national titles because of Notre Dame? * - G.K.Chesterton 2018-12-12 22:44:53
  - More like four -- perhaps five - ShermanOaksND 2018-12-12 22:51:52
    - This NCAA national title page is certainly interesting. - G.K.Chesterton 2018-12-12 23:28:46
- One of my all-time favorite undergraduate - sjdomer 2018-12-12 22:16:00
- I remember, too - golfjunkie17 2018-12-12 16:08:53
- Victory Margins: 1-2-3-7 - jh_chi 2018-12-12 15:52:15

Need rec for place to watch the game in Napa - HoundDog1973 2018-12-12 15:47:36 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- Ana’s Cantina is a great spot. - Tjmc 2018-12-12 16:57:50
- There's an Irish pub in Sonoma Square - Rockbrig97 2018-12-12 16:24:09
  - Oh dear * - arch_moore 2018-12-12 20:52:02
  - Are you insane? * - ACross 2018-12-12 17:17:52
    - Is there a winery with TVs? - Rockbrig97 2018-12-13 00:11:20
      - As much as Andy can be a snob on these things ... - Gort 2018-12-13 00:37:33

In 2007, Notre Dame led nation in 4th-down conversion rate. - G.K.Chesterton 2018-12-12 14:00:35 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- Glad we Yakety Saxed our way into something that year. - Revue Party 2018-12-12 17:06:21
  - We didn’t - DakotaDomer 2018-12-12 19:52:12
- Didn't Clausen lead the nation in punting average - bluengold07 2018-12-12 14:40:14
  - No, that was Quinn * - BillShakespeare 2018-12-12 21:43:25
  - He led the nation in total yards rushed in 2007. - Revue Party 2018-12-12 17:21:43
  - Definitely fake news * - sprack 2018-12-12 15:14:44
- Fake news! - JimmyIrish 2018-12-12 14:09:28
  - We are also top-5 the year before. - G.K.Chesterton 2018-12-12 17:28:12

Andrew's main squeeze is now Jenkins's chief of staff - Bruno95 2018-12-12 12:48:47 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- Scott definitely rules - Taxman 2018-12-12 13:57:11
- Sure, let’s have her interact with the BoT instead - beattherush 2018-12-12 13:41:47
  - It sure needs a dose of outside thinking and experience * - Marylanddomer 2018-12-12 18:06:08
- Ann Firth is a nice person. - mocopdx 2018-12-12 13:39:00
  - I disagree * - ACross 2018-12-12 14:25:01
    - As do I * - Top40Bubba 2018-12-12 18:50:06
      - Was I your running mate? * - ACross 2018-12-12 22:15:51
    - Disagree about which part? - Flanner89 2018-12-12 16:52:22
      - I'm guessing Moco's Subject line. - Revue Party 2018-12-12 18:12:03
  - She should have worked for Ave Maria U. * - KeoughCharles05 2018-12-12 13:45:01
- Isn't he 47 or so? That's how old Obama was in 2008. * - Tex Francisco 2018-12-12 13:32:28
  - He is a good guy - can he do the job, I don't know. - chicos bail bonds 2018-12-12 19:48:54
  - Anyone close to my age is too young to be important. - Bruno95 2018-12-12 13:54:41
    - The LA Rams head coach is apparently 23 or something - DakotaDomer 2018-12-12 14:54:34
  - But that was just the presidency * - NDAtty 2018-12-12 13:43:53
- I think she was Jenkins' CoS before this.... - Rockbrig97 2018-12-12 13:11:22

ND recruit Jack Kiser named Mr. Football in Indiana - IndyDave 2018-12-12 12:41:23 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- Big deal. Bonger is Mr Vegas when he plays church bingo * - Frank Drebin 2018-12-12 16:18:59
- Will be interesting to follow his career at ND. - TWO 2018-12-12 13:24:39
  - I agree - son of galway 2018-12-12 13:36:13
    - Jaylon - IndyDave 2018-12-12 14:02:21

Love came up short in unanimous All-American bid - Hanratty5ND 2018-12-12 11:23:22 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- Basically an all ACC/SEC team - athlete37 2018-12-12 12:35:56
- Plus an LSU linebacker on the 1st team * - 1978Irish 2018-12-12 11:59:21
  - You mean the same guy Q drove 10 yds and pancaked into turf? - Hanratty5ND 2018-12-12 12:08:32
    - Who was the LSU guy he delivered a Rock Bottom to? * - FtWorthIrish 2018-12-12 12:44:10
- That LSU defense was great. Only gave up 74 to A&M. * - nd44 2018-12-12 11:43:00
  - 74 yards is pretty good! Oh, you meant points! * - pmoose 2018-12-12 13:28:48
  - Greedy Willams stat line that game: 1 tackle/0 ints - Hanratty5ND 2018-12-12 11:55:21
  - That would be a poor showing even in basketball - ShermanOaksND 2018-12-12 11:49:05
- Still a great year. - UpperEastSideIrish 2018-12-12 11:33:11
- So that makes him unanimous AA, just not unanimous 1st team - Irish_Texan 2018-12-12 11:32:07
  - "Unanimous" and "Consensus" AA count only 1st team AA picks. * - SavageDragon 2018-12-12 11:35:40
    - Good to know. Thanks. Too bad for Love * - Irish_Texan 2018-12-12 15:10:15
      - he is consensus, just not unanimous - DavidAddison 2018-12-12 20:25:37

I remember when Alabama was 0-4 against ND. - Boomer80 2018-12-12 10:18:06 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- Why would you have any fear? - Irpa 2018-12-12 12:38:22
  - And I love all the wimp talk - Mike Honcho 2018-12-12 20:14:19
- Breaking News: Bear Bryant is still 0-4 versus ND - ShermanOaksND 2018-12-12 11:50:13
  - My thoughts exactly. We can say it until the end of time. * - G.K.Chesterton 2018-12-12 13:24:26
- No fear if you like watching Mall Cops vs. Seals - pobrien 2018-12-12 11:40:49
  - Alabama skews toward pass first with Tua * - dwjm3 2018-12-12 13:39:28
  - So do we have a chance-chance or just a Chance? * - Camarillo Brillo 2018-12-12 12:36:04
- This "no fear" thing is so silly - Chuck84 2018-12-12 10:44:43
  - I for one always appreciated the big Johnson shirts better - jt 2018-12-12 14:54:18
  - I liked the "No Ear" Van Gogh t-shirt, though *** - beorach 2018-12-12 12:42:31

Under Armour stock being punished on its Investor Day - UpperEastSideIrish 2018-12-12 10:03:59 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- To be fair - UpperEastSideIrish 2018-12-12 13:20:27
  - You have to be Savvy to understand this deal - beattherush 2018-12-12 14:00:43
    - Also a very fair (and relevant) point - UpperEastSideIrish 2018-12-12 14:10:50
      - So their stock is up because they have a team in the CFP - G.K.Chesterton 2018-12-12 17:29:32
  - They have been going on for a few years - HTownND 2018-12-12 13:56:23
    - Thanks, you're right. Chart is illustrative. * - UpperEastSideIrish 2018-12-12 14:12:01
- They are too tied to the NA market - jreednd 2018-12-12 12:05:28
- Remember when the stock jumped shortly - KnightlyRevue 2018-12-12 11:57:53
  - the mechandise is decroted crap * - ACross 2018-12-12 13:09:29
  - Even if UA didn’t tank, Jack’s fanboys should’ve shut up... - revressbo 2018-12-12 12:57:51
- The company was scrappy but owes its success to more to DoD - airborneirish 2018-12-12 11:28:51
- Jack at his savviest. * - irishintheville 2018-12-12 11:02:31
- They sure make a good looking ND Polo shirt - ACross 2018-12-12 10:51:50
- I'm hoping - HTownND 2018-12-12 10:07:09
  - To be fair - Leeroy_Jenkins 2018-12-12 12:16:48

FEI projecting Clemson 27, Notre Dame 23. - G.K.Chesterton 2018-12-11 22:59:11 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- S&P+ has it as Clemson 30 ND 22. So the two most common - jimmypop 2018-12-12 09:40:34
  - ESPN FPI has Clemson winning by 8 points as a 71% favorite. - G.K.Chesterton 2018-12-12 13:41:47
  - Isn't 53% just a bit better than a coin flip? * - KevinPS 2018-12-12 13:26:32
    - For ATS calls, it's actually pretty decent. - G.K.Chesterton 2018-12-12 13:43:44
      - Ah, got it. Thanks. * - KevinPS 2018-12-12 15:40:27
  - S&P+ results just show how hard making predictions can be - ndzippy 2018-12-12 10:57:38
  - Thus, the Irish +11 is a lock. * - Sayitoutloud 2018-12-12 09:43:29
    - Sagarin has Clemson by 11.73 points - ndzippy 2018-12-12 10:48:28
      - Correct me if I'm wrong - RallyingSon 2018-12-12 11:13:57
        We don't get to have it both ways - HTownND 2018-12-12 12:55:18
        For the purpose of these statistical models - DakotaDomer 2018-12-12 17:00:03
        I wouldn’t use that as the “can’t have it both ways” point - revressbo 2018-12-12 13:16:15
        You're right...I just didn't want to confuse things - ndzippy 2018-12-12 12:01:03
    - Lead pipe cinch * - 2ndstreeter 2018-12-12 10:45:17

Cotton Bowl is outselling the Orange Bowl 3:1 - oneill3b 2018-12-11 21:48:42 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- And that's why Washington State didn't get invited - bluengold07 2018-12-12 08:40:56
  - You missed the point. Alamo is the top selling bowl outside - domerduck 2018-12-12 11:44:17
  - Also their horrifyingly bad in-conference schedule - sprack 2018-12-12 10:46:55
- The 3:1 ratio comes from an article posted 12/3/2018. - G.K.Chesterton 2018-12-11 22:41:52
- Miami is a more expensive trip - Brandon 2018-12-11 22:17:33
- The secondary ticket markets don't support this - irishtexan02 2018-12-11 22:05:30
  - I am seeing the opposite - oneill3b 2018-12-12 08:08:57
    - lowest listed are $170 in section 420 - irishtexan02 2018-12-12 09:07:42
      - Thanks. I think I was looking at the ND side ony, where - oneill3b 2018-12-12 10:32:17
        No problem! - irishtexan02 2018-12-12 10:43:16
        Am I right that the ND section prices are going up? - oneill3b 2018-12-12 11:20:45
        it is now down to $154 to get in - irishtexan02 2018-12-12 20:35:37
        I don't know how many Clemson sections there will be. - KeoughCharles05 2018-12-12 16:23:39
        They started higher and remain higher by 15% on - 1NDGal 2018-12-12 13:30:26
  - Seating capacity is 22% higher at AT&T Stadium than at Hard - G.K.Chesterton 2018-12-11 22:37:36
- Desperate ND fans and Exuberant Clemson fans - carroll2005 2018-12-11 21:57:40
  - I'm going, but I sure ain't "desperate" - sprack 2018-12-12 10:43:19
- Bama folks only like to travel once * - shillelaghhugger 2018-12-11 21:56:57
  - Yeah, and to Miami? Been there done that, nothing new - sprack 2018-12-12 10:39:52

Back hip passes and secondary preparation - athlete37 2018-12-11 17:20:21 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- What's the meaning of "back hip" and "back shoulder"? - vitadulcedospes 2018-12-12 09:47:42
  - It indicates the QB's target - Diddy 2018-12-12 10:07:50
- The WRs are tall (6'4") and use their hgt & strength well - Voisman 2018-12-11 21:07:56
  - Which is why I'm surprised they put that throw so low - athlete37 2018-12-11 21:29:36

Did anyone else purchase their tickets through SeatGeek? - bleedsgreen04 2018-12-11 15:54:11 [Tag Thread]

Kansas State hires North Dakota State's HC Klieman - UpperEastSideIrish 2018-12-11 14:52:33 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- Interesting that KSU fans were furious over the hire.. - BigNDfan 2018-12-12 08:53:00
  - They thought Venables would come home. - SavageDragon 2018-12-12 09:41:51
    - K-State alum, from a town (Salina) that is relatively close, - bleedsgreen04 2018-12-12 11:15:23
      - Maybe his life ambition was to get out of Salina, Kansas - sprack 2018-12-12 14:01:39
        Some people just hate where they're from... - bleedsgreen04 2018-12-12 15:40:44
- We will see if he is a good coach or product of the program - Killian 2018-12-11 17:00:27
  - As an alumni... - CoachS 2018-12-12 06:08:21
  - so ND doesn’t need great coaches, it makes coaches great? - Final_Flanner 2018-12-12 01:28:53
- How will a kid from Fargo do when he hits Manhattan? * - sprack 2018-12-11 15:39:07
- I went to grade school and high school with Chris. - ndmd89 2018-12-11 15:19:17
  - In my opinion he is a person to keep an eye on. * - hibernianangst 2018-12-11 17:04:34
- Good hire. Glad for them it wasn't Snyder's kid. * - Chuck84 2018-12-11 14:55:55

The NDN Tailgater at the Cotton Bowl will be in Lot 1 * - El Kabong 2018-12-11 12:11:36 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- "1, 2, 3, 4" is the password. be sure write it down * - 84david 2018-12-11 19:52:19
- What’s the address for the live stream? * - The Holtz Room 2018-12-11 19:50:04
  - Nearest men’s room * - Frank Drebin 2018-12-11 21:32:57
- Are we going to need badges to attend? * - Frank Drebin 2018-12-11 13:50:49
  - Don't need no stinking badges * - Kayo 2018-12-11 15:19:34
    - Nope, just Anthony Travel provided lanyards * - Santos L Halper 2018-12-11 15:35:32
      - Don't need no stinking lanyards * - Kayo 2018-12-11 18:51:00
- Parking site stubhub worked - Flanigan 2018-12-11 12:49:49
- "The "Gang from Grays Ferry" will be their....Go IRISH!!!! * - ND Harvey 2018-12-11 12:28:44

Tim Brown's Heisman fetches $435k at auction - thecontrarian 2018-12-11 10:48:34 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- In Philadelphia, it’s only worth $50 bucks * - Frank Drebin 2018-12-11 21:34:22
- Is there a back story to this sale? - Tiger Stadium 2018-12-11 11:50:47
  - Some people just aren't interested in the hardware - sprack 2018-12-11 12:05:07
    - Especially if they have ever studied finance. - LastDon 2018-12-11 19:47:38
- How did he sell it? - Holtz 2018-12-11 11:47:50
  - They can't retroactively bar pre-1999 winners - fontoknow 2018-12-11 11:51:09
  - I believe that refers to post 1999 winners - DakotaDomer 2018-12-11 11:50:51

Julian Love 1st team All-American- FWAA - Hanratty5ND 2018-12-10 18:22:13 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- Also Sporting News today - buffaloirish 2018-12-11 11:21:37
- All we need is Love * - drmurray 2018-12-11 09:46:29
- Interesting that his teammates can be 1st team on one list - jrdjr84 2018-12-10 19:52:34
  - Someone did. I don't remember which one, but think he was - btd 2018-12-10 20:40:08
- Congrats to Julian on the consensus 1st team AA - revressbo 2018-12-10 18:27:50
  - I don't think that's possible. He's already not 1st team on - btd 2018-12-10 20:38:28
    - Love has been 1st team on all 3 thus far - Hanratty5ND 2018-12-10 20:56:27
      - Ok if those are the 5 that matter. He's not 1st team on 2 - btd 2018-12-10 20:59:53
        He made ESPN and SI's 1st team as well.... - Hanratty5ND 2018-12-10 21:07:23
        Pro football focus was one. 3rd team - btd 2018-12-10 21:55:45
        AFCA, AP, FWAA, SN, WC * - SEE 2018-12-11 02:24:56
  - When’s the last time ND had a unanimous AA at corner? * * - SEE 2018-12-10 20:04:40
    - Shane Walton in '02. Before that, Todd Lyght in '89. * - SavageDragon 2018-12-10 22:14:18
      - Was Bobby Taylor only consensus? - KnightlyRevue 2018-12-11 10:42:30
        i would put Shawn Wooden in that group as well * - Bagimus Maximus 2018-12-11 13:51:51
        Yes. He was only 3rd team AP. (link) - SavageDragon 2018-12-11 10:57:10
  - Well deserved. * - Porpoiseboy 2018-12-10 18:59:14

Ropes & Gray's report re USAG (Nassar-focused) - Bruno95 2018-12-10 16:16:01 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- Are there any plausible explanations that Swarbrick could - KevinPS 2018-12-12 12:50:00
- Sally Jenkins' article in today's Washington Post. - Bruno95 2018-12-11 14:54:25
  - That nickname better fits Swarbrick and Fr. Jenkins - captaineclectic 2018-12-12 11:30:58
  - Correction: Director of Athletics desk. * - Irish Tool 2018-12-11 16:49:34
    - Vice President and James E. Rohr Director of Athletics desk - ShermanOaksND 2018-12-11 17:55:31
      - I didn't come here to be called athletics director. * - Irish Tool 2018-12-11 17:58:38
  - Perfect. Thx, Savvy. * - 1NDGal 2018-12-11 16:20:08
  - She's on record as hating our offensive approach though - garbageplate 2018-12-11 15:26:05
    - get somebody to dox her private life and then we'll talk * - ACross 2018-12-11 16:19:22
      - Has she donated any money to the SB Center for the Homeless? * - Saxattack29 2018-12-11 17:00:13
        Thanks for the reminder - ShermanOaksND 2018-12-11 17:59:37
  - A good look for our University * - ACross 2018-12-11 15:09:36
    - Jenkins will await the results of the canonical trial. * - beattherush 2018-12-11 19:36:03
      - Outstanding. * - Otter 2018-12-12 10:56:19
    - No kidding. - SWPaDem 2018-12-11 16:27:13
    - how did you get Sally Jenkins to carry your water? - jt 2018-12-11 16:24:09
  - She tweeted about this in Jan & then shuttered her account - ndzippy 2018-12-11 15:01:21
    - It would appear the cat is firmly out of the bag this time. - SWPaDem 2018-12-11 16:14:21
- I'm so confused... - Beatscirish 2018-12-11 14:49:58
- For those of us fortunate enought to not be attorneys - dulac89 2018-12-11 10:34:27
  - I don’t think his privilege assertions will work. - Bruno95 2018-12-11 10:42:48
    - The privilege belongs to the client not the lawyer - 1978Irish 2018-12-11 14:37:06
      - There’s such a thing as at-issue waiver * - captaineclectic 2018-12-11 15:31:21
        yes, but what if Jack gets married to USAG? - jt 2018-12-11 21:04:37
        There is also no privilege for protecting ongoing criminal - 1NDGal 2018-12-11 16:57:19
        I don't think your second paragraph is accurate or complete. * - ACross 2018-12-11 17:49:20
        An attempt to paraphrase the 1999 compromise as reported - 1NDGal 2018-12-11 18:22:47
    - Required reading - ACross 2018-12-11 11:08:44
      - The most irritating thing is not a legal one. - Otter 2018-12-12 10:50:52
        Just a device to set the interrogating attorney on his heels - 1NDGal 2018-12-12 13:34:28
      - Jack’s “don’t call me a liar” bristle is something else. - arch_moore 2018-12-11 20:29:49
      - Mr. Little could use some CLE, it appears ... - BIGSKYND 2018-12-11 11:33:11
        That nickname fits Kelly more than Savvy - captaineclectic 2018-12-11 14:45:15
        You think it is Mr. Little who was out of line? - ACross 2018-12-11 11:44:14
        Stayed on the record and called the judge, and not let - 1NDGal 2018-12-11 12:38:46
        Some state rules state that the deposition is suspended - ACross 2018-12-11 13:05:20
        That's my point ... - BIGSKYND 2018-12-11 11:51:07
        Not a lawyer but it seemed that way to me. - LaughingTulkas 2018-12-11 11:47:07
- Although the report was Nassar-focused, it’s clear USAG - Bruno95 2018-12-10 20:59:18
  - I think you understate Swarbrick's involvement - ACross 2018-12-11 09:55:51
    - I did not say he was merely one of their lawyers. - Bruno95 2018-12-11 10:06:39
      - I was reacting to this excerpt from your post - ACross 2018-12-11 10:16:49
        Understood. - Bruno95 2018-12-11 10:30:19
        A question, if you please. I'd like to believe due diligence - KevinPS 2018-12-12 08:25:52
        I’d include Corr in the discussions. - Bruno95 2018-12-12 09:36:00
        Thank you. * - KevinPS 2018-12-12 12:41:54
        Who was the USAG representative who specifically laid blame - ACross 2018-12-11 11:06:02
        In this article, two former presidents -- one was Penny. (link) - Bruno95 2018-12-11 11:08:05
        Interesting comment on that article. And spot on. - Otter 2018-12-12 10:22:46
    - I’ve been waiting for an advice-of-counsel defense from USAG - 1NDGal 2018-12-11 10:03:19
      - It starts like this. - SWPaDem 2018-12-11 16:36:53
  - where in the report does it mention outside counsel - Trestle-an 2018-12-11 02:01:32
    - You really are a dimwit * - airborneirish 2018-12-11 10:56:12
    - Faegre [Baker Daniels] is outside counsel. See my post below - 1NDGal 2018-12-11 10:01:40
    - Good grief * - ACross 2018-12-11 07:58:25
    - USA Gymnastics - harmonica 2018-12-11 07:36:04
- Any chance Jack gets hand cuffed during coin toss of game? * - Frank Drebin 2018-12-10 19:41:11
  - Bid now on the historical Halftime Handcuffs! - cujaysfan 2018-12-11 11:22:17
  - only after they use a taser on him...... - abqgant 2018-12-11 00:13:15
- Page 62 of the PDF: Penny called Faegre in June 2015. - 1NDGal 2018-12-10 16:55:26
  - Yeah, that's the only issue. F. * - ACross 2018-12-10 17:35:44
    - Of course it isn’t the only issue. The policies Jack wrote - 1NDGal 2018-12-10 17:49:56
    - Page 16-17 mentions efforts to contact Swarbrick. - Bruno95 2018-12-10 17:46:05
      - That isn’t a good look. - Otter 2018-12-10 20:54:56
        those guys must really hate the pass based spread * - jt 2018-12-10 21:41:32
        If only Kelly would of won more * - Chuck84 2018-12-11 14:47:07
        Vile * - ThreeD 2018-12-11 09:13:10

Would ND ever disclose to alumni whether it boxed out alumni - ACross 2018-12-10 15:46:16 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- If they do get tix from ND or Clemson - jerseyshoreirish 2018-12-12 09:24:48
- They must have been pretty easy to get...I got both games - ndgenius 2018-12-11 16:29:13
- Anthony Travel has Clemson on its list of schools ... - NDFanSince81 2018-12-10 17:06:58
  - I'm talking about ND's allotment. Don't care about Clemson's * - ACross 2018-12-10 17:37:24
- Clemson fans might have a similar question on their - G.K.Chesterton 2018-12-10 16:47:21
  - Unlikely. Clemson hasn't sold out title game yet. They - btd 2018-12-10 20:43:29
- Apparently Anthony Travel got tickets through other sources. - irishtexan02 2018-12-10 16:29:14
  - well, ND might fall within that Venn diagram * - ACross 2018-12-10 16:34:08
- That would require a sense of stewardship ... - CJC 2018-12-10 16:26:52

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