Just because Packers had an off year (7-9) due to their hall of fame QB being injured, does not diminish the fact that the Packers are a much better run franchise as determined by win loss records.

Packers had only their fifth losing record since 1989. Browns have had 28 losing records during the same time period.

Yes, I would say that Kiser went from the outhouse to the penthouse.

For the record, I am a Colts and Bears fan.

to trade Kizer?

Look - Personally, I really like Kizer. But he was just awful. He was was put in an awful situation, but nevertheless he was awful.

You don't win 1 game in two years by mistake.