Infinite loop under Kelly of "If only he had..."
by btd (2019-09-23 10:34:08)
Edited on 2019-09-23 10:37:58

In reply to: That arguably would've been biggest ND win anyone under 35..  posted by Scoop80


Your post is correct, but in reality I bet very few ND fans expected anything positive to happen on that 4th and 9 play. Why? Because a Kelly coached team has never made that play.

Sadly, even some of the worst coaches in ND history have had big wins and "made that play". What separates Kelly from all other coaches in ND history is:

1) He isn't overtly horrific or great -- our history is nearly exclusively bi-polar

2) He is a 9-4 possibly now a 10-3 coach that cannot ever win a title

- That's a 7-2 coach in the era of Ara
- That's a 9-3 coach in the era of Holtz

ND faces the ultimate decision the same as UGA did with Richt, Ohio State did with Cooper, etc. Do you just settle for being above average but knowingly never elite, or do you fire that coach and hope to become elite?

3) He will go his entire career at ND without knowingly ever beating a single elite team. Zero.

His sole win over an "elite" team will be the MSU win and at the time of the game we thought we were playing an unranked / at best barely top 25 team. No real joy from that game -- because at the time we were just hoping to not lose yet again to some half assed team.

When the lights are bright and the world knows it is a giant moment -- Kelly has never won over an actual elite team. His greatest two moments at ND will be Stanford and Oklahoma in 2012 -- which in the Holtz era, for example, wouldn't be in the top 15 or maybe even top 20 wins.



A BK team did make that play once
by revressbo  (2019-09-23 10:43:09)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

4th-and-long at FSU. Golson to Robinson. Of course (perhaps not due to our own fault) we ultimately didn’t finish the job.

And of course, we still finished that year with five losses and 2016 happened shortly thereafter (and I actually thought the FSU game was more competitive/even [and better coached] than Saturday, where UGA felt in control basically the whole 2nd half until we weirdly had a chance at the end to steal it). So I’m taking Saturday’s “moral victory” with a grain of salt.


True. That one play was indeed the one and only time he
by btd  (2019-09-23 11:08:03)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

actually did make the play.


I agree on 2014
by enginerd194  (2019-09-23 10:52:51)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

That felt like a much better played game by ND, and was subsequently a much harder horsekick to the scrotum afterwards than last Saturday