We should abide with whatever agreement we have made.
by Piertravlr (2020-08-01 18:44:08)

In reply to: ACC can shove its protocol. ND should go to Annapolis, bring  posted by 1NDGal


If we have agreed to abide with the ACC rules for one year, we should do just that and not immediately ask for special treatment. Not honoring our commitments reflects badly on the University.

One can argue we should not have agreed to the ACC deal in the first place, but that is a different issue.

And switching home games with Navy makes no sense given the financial implications, particularly since Navy is owned by an entity that literally can print money.

Since we are already losing the USC series this year (which is a high profile quality series), taking a break from Navy for one year doesn't really strike me as a tragedy.


We have a commitment to Navy as well. And apparently Coach
by 1NDGal  (2020-08-01 20:17:50)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

N. didn’t even know ND was negotiating this ACC arrangement and putting the game in peril.

The SEC just cancelled all OOC games. The ACC thus has lost a bunch of games. Surely they will want to replace them. Lifting this arbitrary “ACC States Only” restriction is in their interests now.


If we are going to renege, let's shoot for USC.
by Piertravlr  (2020-08-01 20:44:55)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

That is a better rivalry.

USC, Stanford and Arkansas had a "commitment" to ND this year, but none of those games are going forward for obvious reasons. All schedules were put in the trash can by Covid, including Navy's. So what Coach N knew or didn't know about how ND's schedule was going to shake out is irrelevant. I am guessing the ACC restriction is health based. If that is their concern, I doubt they will view lifting the restriction in the collective best interests.

If Clemson can live without South Carolina, and Florida State without Florida, ND-Navy is unlikely to be considered a must have. The reason that the ACC admitted ND on a one year basis is due to the OOC game cancellations you mentioned. Those cancellations were a known issue when the OOC restriction we are discussing was put in place.

Also, from a health standpoint, ND should travel as little as possible and have that non-conference game at home. If that is the case, for financial reasons, it will need to be against an opponent who doesn't get a return date.


The cases are not similar. As an independent, our game with
by 1NDGal  (2020-08-01 20:54:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Navy stands. And Navy doesn’t want to cancel it. The ACC stated that all participants can have one OOC game. OK, well, this would be our “OOC” game.

USC is a Pac12 member and that decision was handed down to them from on high weeks ago.

The ND-Navy game was not “put in a trash can.”

The contractual fiction of what is an “ACC state” — suddenly Indiana is an ACC state, that’s fun — should not be used as a means to cancel a game that Navy very much wants to host.

Also, FUSC.

Health-based precautions are valid. But having ND travel to Annapolis as the first game of the year cannot reasonably be viewed as a bigger health risk than Clemson travelling to Florida State.


Our schedule is shit. We should try to play the most
by ACross  (2020-08-03 11:45:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

comelling team possible. That team is not Navy. I think their coach is a low rent prick who encourages their players to play dirty. I think their program has a culture that encourages their players to injure our players, in an "anything it takes to win" analogue for war as a rationalization for ruining opponents' futures.

So, no, we shouldn't lift a finger for Navy just because you want a nice afternoon in Annapolis.


Why must your every post end with an ad hominem? As to
by 1NDGal  (2020-08-04 07:47:24)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

injuries, it has been several years since a player had a suspicious injury in the Navy game.

That WWE Death Drop on RJ Blanton in ND Stadium seemed to wake some people up.

The last such injury I can recall is Ian Williams getting his knee trashed against Air Force.


But travel is a bigger risk for ND than staying home.
by Piertravlr  (2020-08-01 21:01:56)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

And my focus is on ND.

And the cases are similar. We are in the ACC this year and not an independent. The ACC has a rule that you advocate we ignore. I believe that failing to keep a commitment reflects poorly on the University, and is foolish to boot since it increases ND's costs and health risks.


“We are in the ACC this year and not an independent.” Eesh.
by 1NDGal  (2020-08-01 21:36:23)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

But even accepting that language, I can’t agree that travelling to Annapolis imperils our team.