“We want to keep all the money”
by MrE (2023-03-23 09:46:16)

In reply to: Not sure if this is the right board. NYT piece by JJ and JS (link)  posted by NDFanSince81


That’s what I hear whenever I read or hear what Swarbrick says.


That’s really not what the piece says
by mocopdx  (2023-03-23 09:50:25)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

In a teary locker room this month, after the Notre Dame men’s basketball team ended its season with a close loss in the Atlantic Coast Conference tournament, the coach spoke not about lost opportunities on the court, but rather about the six master’s degrees (in addition to undergraduate degrees) that members of the team had earned, the lifelong friendships they had formed, and the invaluable lessons they had learned about leadership, teamwork and growing through adversity. The locker room is a classroom where the lesson that athletics can and should be part of a university’s educational mission is lived every day. Even Knute Rockne said that college athletics should be secondary to academics.

The nation is now immersed in the thrill of the N.C.A.A. basketball tournament. (Our women’s team plays Maryland on Saturday.) But beyond the excitement, college athletics is in crisis.

It faces threats on a number of fronts: the growing patchwork of contradictory and confusing state laws regulating it, the specter of crippling lawsuits, the profusion of dubious name, image and likeness deals through which to funnel money to recruits, the misguided attempts to classify student-athletes as employees. Underlying all that is the widespread belief that college athletics is simply a lucrative business disguised as a branch of educational institutions.

We call on universities to reaffirm that student-athletes are students first and to ensure that their athletic programs serve the schools’ broader educational mission, not the other way around. We call on the N.C.A.A. and athletic conferences to set policies that support that goal. And we urge Congress to protect the N.C.A.A.’s ability to regulate the competition for new players to ensure it remains fair and above board.

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How did we get here? The history of the N.C.A.A. men’s basketball tournament is illustrative. It began in 1939 with eight teams and no television. It was so popular that it doubled to 16 teams in 1951, to 32 teams in 1975, and to 64 teams in 1985, then added a “play in” opening round in 2001 that was expanded in 2011. Television coverage grew with the tournament; CBS and Turner pay hundreds of millions of dollars a year (soon to be $1 billion a year) for the right to broadcast the games. As the tournament’s popularity increased, so did the value of a winning team — and the salaries of successful coaches.

The perception has grown in recent years that student-athletes, whose talent and hard work create so much revenue for schools and even coaches, get nothing in return. Echoing public opinion, courts have struck down longstanding N.C.A.A. regulations that barred student-athletes from profiting from their image and likeness. That has resulted in further antitrust suits against the N.C.A.A. and athletic conferences.

We have been vocal in our conviction that student-athletes should be allowed to capture the value of the use of their name, image and likeness (N.I.L.) — in other words, profit from their celebrity — for one simple reason: Other students are allowed to. If a college student is a talented artist or musician no one begrudges him the chance to make money from his skills. And athletes should as far as possible have the opportunities other students enjoy.

Unfortunately, the new N.I.L. rules have proven to be easy to abuse. To avoid the N.C.A.A. prohibition against directly paying athletic recruits, many schools funnel money to recruits under the guise of a supposed third-party licensing deal — regardless of whether a player’s name, image and likeness have any market value whatsoever. We must establish and enforce regulations that allow legitimate transactions while barring those that are recruiting enticements or pay-for-play.

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The claim that student-athletes otherwise get nothing from a multibillion-dollar college sports industry is false — and the misperception behind it goes to the heart of what is at stake.

If a talented high school player heads straight to the minor leagues, he earns a paycheck. If he goes instead to college, he can earn something far more valuable: a degree. Economists estimate a college degree is typically worth about $1 million in enhanced earning power in a lifetime. At our institution, 99 percent of student-athletes who stay for at least four years get a diploma. Because less than 2 percent of all our student-athletes will play in their sport professionally, such a benefit is useful indeed.

At Notre Dame, revenue from football and men’s basketball goes to support 24 other varsity sports, including, most important, women’s sports — most of which did not exist on college campuses before 1972.

Since the advent of Title IX 50 years ago, no development in college athletics has been more significant than the rise of women’s sports. While many female athletes have benefited from N.I.L. deals, those who press for giving a higher percentage of revenue to football and men’s basketball players should understand that such a decision could endanger women’s athletics. At Notre Dame, that encompasses more than 300 female student-athletes, all of whom work just as hard as their male counterparts to compete at the highest levels in their sport and in the classroom.

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Overseeing N.I.L. transactions is just the beginning. To enhance the educational experience and overall health and well-being of our student-athletes, the N.C.A.A. should also set a limit on how many days away from campus a team can require. Part of a college education is the interaction with others in the classroom, the dining hall and the dorms. Student-athletes deserve that experience, too.

The N.C.A.A. or the athletic conferences should create a national medical trust fund to benefit all student-athletes who are injured while playing, regardless of sport, school size or standing. And finally, we should set a policy so that players who leave school to go pro have the option to return — with the same financial grants they had the first time around. At Notre Dame, we have done this for many student-athletes, including the Pro Football Hall of Fame running back Jerome Bettis, who returned last spring to complete his degree 28 years after leaving to play professionally.

Congress, too, must act to resolve conflicting state regulations, clarify that our athletes are students, not employees, and give the N.C.A.A. the ability to enact and enforce rules for fair recruiting and compensation.

Professional athletics must play a role, too. Though baseball and hockey allow players to go pro right after high school, the N.B.A. age requirement for draft eligibility forces most of the highly talented players to attend one year of college. The N.F.L. offers no alternative to intercollegiate football until a player has been out of high school for at least three years. Both policies push talented young players to enroll in college regardless of whether they have any interest in the educational experience it offers.

To ensure that players arrive at college only after making an informed choice — and a real commitment to learning — we urge the N.F.L. to establish a minor league alternative for young players. Similarly, we hope that the N.B.A. and its Players’ Union, in accord with the 2018 Commission on College Basketball, use the upcoming contract negotiations to eliminate the “one and done” rule and allow 18-year-olds to proceed directly to the league.

College athletics is a treasured national institution. Professionalizing teams, treating athletes more as employees than as students and weakening the vital connection with the educational mission of their colleges will rob college athletics of its special character. Gradually it will be seen as merely a version of the professional minor leagues. More important, that approach will not serve the vast majority of young men and women who pursue a college degree and grow personally while they play the sport they love. We can support them and preserve the institution that serves them.

John I. Jenkins has been president of the University of Notre Dame since 2005. Jack B. Swarbrick is a vice president and the director of athletics at Notre Dame.


I don't really disagree with anything written there
by jt  (2023-03-23 12:37:02)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

the fact is that it is a last ditch Hail Mary pass intended for Congress as a plea to help guide the NCAA because the member institutions can't do it themselves.

In my opinion, Congress should pass on it; the members are not to be trusted and simply cannot help themselves. Notre Dame's time to lead this charge was years ago, and they punted (these same authors of this piece, I might add).

Now, perhaps I am wrong and perhaps they can actually get this accomplished with the proper NIL enforcement, getting the NFL to add a minor league, etc. I honestly hope that is the case.


It's a game of chicken for the NCAA members
by ravenium  (2023-03-23 14:23:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Let's say somewhere along the line you lead by example and say you're going to cut administrative bloat and coaching salaries. I think this is fundamentally a good thing (remember when Mack Brown making 5 mil a year was outrageous? ha!)

Then everyone else says "oooohh....yeah...um...we'll think about it" and you've basically committed coaching suicide. I'm not saying it's right, but if we unilaterally decide the ND men's basketball coach can now only make 150k/year, are we going to get anyone near competent if nobody else backs off too?

I'm not saying JS isn't a giant weasel, but there needs to be a way to get this to happen at a broad level, and the NCAA should have been the one to do this years ago. Instead, they liked the money and let it continue.


That's a big part of it, though, right?
by StetsonDan  (2023-03-23 10:20:55)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The conclusion is that college athletics is a treasured national institution subject to intense pressures from public opinion and the courts so it must be strengthened and preserved by Congressional regulation along with assistance from professional sports.

As nohow mentioned above, they mention the widespread belief that college athletics is simply a lucrative business disguised as a branch of educational institutions, but don't really say anything to disprove it.

It's especially ripe coming from Jack Swarbrick given his net worth is almost solely built on the labor of amateur athletes (and he has set up his kids in adjacent careers which profit off of ND's place in the current "treasured national institution").

I also think Rev. Jenkins is not a good spokesman given given how he walked back his initial response to the improper academic benefits scandal under Kelly. That is, why should the NCAA care what he says when he doesn't care what they say?

For all the talk about landscape monitoring from our director of athletics who has been in the amateur athletics industry for thirty plus years, I don't see a hint of leadership. Where was he in pushing for action on NIL prior to 2021? He's as feckless as the institution he wishes he could be running (the NCAA).

At this point, my thought is to make the players employees if for no other reason to prevent the Jacks of the world from continuing to profit off the backs of unpaid labor when his pointless statements and continual efforts to cover his own ass represent the worst of my profession (and the profession of a plurality of posters here).


"While many female athletes have benefited from N.I.L. deals
by FL_Irish  (2023-03-23 10:07:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

...those who press for giving a higher percentage of revenue to football and men’s basketball players should understand that such a decision could endanger women’s athletics."

I think the above sentence can certainly be read as "if you don't let us keep all the money, you hate women's sports." But maybe I'm being ungenerous given the source.


I agree with you completely
by jt  (2023-03-23 12:47:04)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

it's part of the hail Mary pass they're throwing to Congress, and they tried to run it by the courts as well and were laughed at by the judges, who promptly brought up the discrepancy in the NCAA tournament accommodations a few years back that was publicized.


I think it does, in multiple spots.
by MrE  (2023-03-23 10:00:12)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Tucked in amongst some feel-good stuff.


I understand why that would be the takeaway
by mocopdx  (2023-03-23 10:13:47)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

If you are unable to receive any communication from Jenkins/Swarbrick in assumed good faith. I'm not being a jerk- I understand why you and many others would enter this piece with a giant dose of cynicism.


It's paywalled for me. But from what I gather, I cannot
by tdiddy07  (2023-03-23 09:48:09)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

imagine they would be taking this position if it weren't in their self-interest.