This is how a debate starts
by crazychester (2023-03-23 09:48:22)

In reply to: "we urge the NFL..." I'm sure that'll work! *  posted by ndzippy


Why does the NFL get a free minor league system? What is the value of a free education? Why do students need to be employees?

If you remove the three year rule, colleges can return to offering an education in return for playing a sport. If you want to get paid you can turn professional.


You're not asking the right question
by ndzippy  (2023-03-23 09:59:34)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

"Why does the NFL get a free minor league system?" isn't the right question.

"Why should the NFL spend a whole bunch of money to build its own system when colleges have fallen all over themselves for 100+ years to provide one for free?" is a better one, and it's certainly a more realistic one than wondering why the world isn't fair.

Especially when colleges--even ND--will happily continue delivering a free minor league system to make sure they get their cut of the revenue.


I don't know that there needs to be a league per se
by crazychester  (2023-03-23 10:18:52)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

If the three year rule was removed it allows colleges to argue that you can play NCAA football in return for an education. If you want to play for money you can play professionally.


And you think NFL players would vote in favor of that?
by ndzippy  (2023-03-23 10:33:06)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Vets are already being squeezed out by cheaper young players...they would not vote in favor of a rule that will make that worse.

NFL rules are collectively bargained, my man.


They are able to do that because Congress exempts them
by KeoughCharles05  (2023-03-23 10:45:21)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

From the application of usual laws that prohibit such collusion in restraint of trade.

If Congress is to address this issue, this exemption absolutely needs to be a part of the discussion.


very good point
by jt  (2023-03-23 14:06:48)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

and one that all here should heed; quite simply, it goes to the point that Jack and Jenk went up the hill to bargain with Congress, not to win hearts and minds of the collective society.


Good question. Does any leverage exist here to push the...
by FL_Irish  (2023-03-23 10:09:53)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

...NFL to change? Let's set aside the question of whether anybody even wants them to change. Assume the colleges did. Could they make it happen?


Could all colleges ban Google from recruiting on campus?
by ndzippy  (2023-03-23 10:17:14)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Sure.

Would it stop Google from hiring their students? Not for a second.

Colleges may have a vested interest in forcing the NFL to set up a minor league system. Players don't; they'll take whatever path is in front of them.

Short of shutting down the sport, I think colleges have no influence on this issue.