In reply to: Baseball players have summer league games posted by jt
ditch the TV money and get out of the game.
That's how the market works, irishdog.
with a market value that far exceeds the compensation for most 18-22 year olds. Why is that hard for you to understand? Oh, that's right. You're the guy that thinks people pay to watch 2 and 3 star guys and the game "wouldn't exist" without them. Sounds like the whining of a wannabe player.
Have you bought the XFL jersey for your regional team? Maybe your favorite player on the Brahmas or the Battlehawks is available for an appearance and jersey signing. Check out the declining ratings in the attached for a league without stars and big name teams. Hilarious. You're wrong about most of what you have said.
We don't artificially reduce people's income simply because some employers can't or won't pay.
It's not your place to determine what something is worth. The market can and does pay more.
You are 100 percent incorrect.
your point. What does the current market pay for an 18-22 year old college football player? D1? D2? D3? NAIA?
Thanks.
barriers to receiving compensation.
Boy, are you dense.
and you are still dense.
"compensation" would assume taxable income. I don't believe these players are receiving any compensation because the NCAA is an illegal cartel.
What does the current market pay for an 18-22 year old college football player? D1? D2? D3? NAIA?
or more succinctly, what SHOULD the market pay an 18-22 year old college football player? D1? D2? D3? NAIA?
You realize D1 players aren't unionized and aren't paid, but coaches are making $10M per year, Northwestern is building a $700M football stadium, and TV contracts are in the billions now. And under-the-table payments have set some level of competition for talent in a "black market" of sorts, which is now coming to light with above-the-table NIL deals, to some extent, albeit in a clunky and not perfectly efficient fashion.
Swarbrick and Co are desperately trying to build the case for not paying CFB players their market value (40-50% of revenue).
blue bloods of college football and to a lesser degree, basketball, hockey, wrestling at Iowa, etc all make a lot of money that makes the whole concept of paying the athletes a valid discussion. If you break it down to the idea of "pay college athletes", it becomes a lot more complicated. Paying college athletes across all sports other than a full tuition plus room and board, is not viable for the lion's share of college sports...893 schools play college football, around 5300 total schools play some form of sports.
If the idea of 40-50% of revenue was applied, the college football world would be cleaved into 50-75 programs that can pay...to varying degrees...and everybody else. The idea of Notre Dame's "4 year degree" would be tossed out the window...and every player would be a free agent every year with teams bidding on the talent available within the "salary limits" each school has. In short, a minor league for pro football.
If the idea of 40-50% of revenue was applied, the college football world would be cleaved into 50-75 programs that can pay...to varying degrees...and everybody else.
Yes, this is exactly what is going to happen. The schools that generate TV revenue will be in one bucket and those that don't will be in another bucket.
The idea of Notre Dame's "4 year degree" would be tossed out the window.
It will certainly be lessened, but football is still not going to be a viable career path for many of the players. I think many players will still be interested in a ND degree while also earning their fair market value.
every player would be a free agent every year
This is already in effect. And guess what, every student can be a free agent every year if they want.
teams bidding on the talent available within the "salary limits" each school has.
IF the coaches and ADs can be bidded on by all teams for millions of dollars, why not the players too?
get 40-50% of the revenue, what happens to the funding for all other "loss leader sports that have previously received funding from the varying success of the football program?
In order to compete with the other programs, the ND "four year commitment" would have to be gone. Add in the issues ND has with transfers admissions and the Fighting Irish would suffer against their soon to be former peers in college football.
I agree that players should be able to be free agents.
And be careful what you wish for applies to bidding wars for college athletes. The result would be a dwindling supply of viable opponents...no one wants to watch a team of superstars play an objectively bad team. If it happens, the 50-75 will become 25-35 viable programs that mirrors the NFL. I also doubt that most college administrations would agree to 40% revenue sharing so there is that issue too.
not sure why it should concern the football players. What value do they get from those sports?
Perhaps the athletic department can and would lower their expenses down if they wanted to support those sports and saw value there.
Every time we say we cant afford X we are saying I dont value X enough to forego Z. Maybe those players dont get the same amount but they get something more than they do today.
I am not saying I have completely settled on all the answers but contiuing a system where the players dont get paid just because that is how it has always been isnt right.
the college football program would be shut down due to no longer being in the "haves" and being a big cost center and ultimately liability. The money would go up for players in the "haves" and would disappear for the "have nots".
Players get a scholarship and other benefits plus earn NIL money as their performance proves they deserve. I have heard $10-15,000 bandied about as a possible "wage" above and beyond the scholarships and benefits plus NIL money. That number seems fair and equitable for largely unproven talent on the collegiate level along with other items they receive.
the shortcut and short term approach is NIL, but it is problematic for everyone.
The answer is likely a de facto minor league setup for some programs and club status for others.
big step in the right direction if run correctly.
equitable. Plus full scholarship.
NIL would be gravy on top earned the way Aaron Rodgers gets paid by State Farm, or Michael Jordan by Gatorade.
(this is just for Major CFB players, not any other athletes).
for the whole season, $277,200. The percentage of NCAA D1 football players that make it to the NFL is 1.6% of players. Do you want to reconsider your number?
50% rev share should be the solution.
Average wages of an 85-man roster for 50% rev share would be closer to $530,000 per player (on top of their full scholarship).
If they want to have practice squads, so be it.
YOu could ratchet down scholarships to, say, 70, and keep a practice squad of 15 or whatever. Just keep giving $50M a year per program to players in scholarships + wages.
of organization would pay entry level 18 year old employees $530,000 per year or anything close to that number?
On another point, if you gave $50M per program to the 120..or so...D1 programs, the total number is $6 billion on the low end. Are you aware how much most "programs" make and do you understand that Notre Dame along with maybe the top tier of Power 5 programs are in rarified air...and that's when the team(s) have a good season. The money is not only flowing at high levels.
All P5 college programs, save for a few, are operating at 40% to 60% margins in CFB due to the free labor system.
Players should get 50%, or $3B per year.
requirement and let the 18-22 year olds go pro whenever the NFL says they are ready...draftable.
like your idea, too.
are suggesting unproven 18-22 year olds at Iowa State University or similar should get, on average, $407,000? Sorry, but that is nowhere near realistic.
all those unproven NFL draft picks sign huge contracts. It's in their CBA.
It's a different industry from Major CFB, Inc.
the program in the red. Professional sports are focused on one sport. College athletic departments use dollars earned from the revenue producers to fund the non-revenue sports that are a big part of the fabric of a school. Would you pay those other athletes too? They work hard.