The answer, run correctly, is NIL. At most programs,
by Irishdog80 (2023-03-24 17:31:39)

In reply to: If the Univeristy values these items why can they fund them?  posted by wpkirish


the college football program would be shut down due to no longer being in the "haves" and being a big cost center and ultimately liability. The money would go up for players in the "haves" and would disappear for the "have nots".

Players get a scholarship and other benefits plus earn NIL money as their performance proves they deserve. I have heard $10-15,000 bandied about as a possible "wage" above and beyond the scholarships and benefits plus NIL money. That number seems fair and equitable for largely unproven talent on the collegiate level along with other items they receive.


the answer is most certainly not NIL
by jt  (2023-03-24 17:45:35)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

the shortcut and short term approach is NIL, but it is problematic for everyone.

The answer is likely a de facto minor league setup for some programs and club status for others.


We essentially agree. NIL is a tough nut to crack but is a
by Irishdog80  (2023-03-24 19:20:32)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

big step in the right direction if run correctly.


I think a football player avg wage of $407,000 is fair &
by MrE  (2023-03-24 17:34:35)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

equitable. Plus full scholarship.

NIL would be gravy on top earned the way Aaron Rodgers gets paid by State Farm, or Michael Jordan by Gatorade.

(this is just for Major CFB players, not any other athletes).


Are you also aware NFL Practice Squad guys earn on average
by Irishdog80  (2023-03-24 20:44:50)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

for the whole season, $277,200. The percentage of NCAA D1 football players that make it to the NFL is 1.6% of players. Do you want to reconsider your number?


my number is light as it only gives players 40% of revenue
by MrE  (2023-03-24 22:36:23)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

50% rev share should be the solution.

Average wages of an 85-man roster for 50% rev share would be closer to $530,000 per player (on top of their full scholarship).

If they want to have practice squads, so be it.

YOu could ratchet down scholarships to, say, 70, and keep a practice squad of 15 or whatever. Just keep giving $50M a year per program to players in scholarships + wages.


I truly thought you were just kidding around. What sort
by Irishdog80  (2023-03-25 12:29:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

of organization would pay entry level 18 year old employees $530,000 per year or anything close to that number?

On another point, if you gave $50M per program to the 120..or so...D1 programs, the total number is $6 billion on the low end. Are you aware how much most "programs" make and do you understand that Notre Dame along with maybe the top tier of Power 5 programs are in rarified air...and that's when the team(s) have a good season. The money is not only flowing at high levels.


other industries: MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL *
by MrE  (2023-03-25 14:58:22)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


18 yr old adults? CFB = $6B industry (the top 60 teams).
by MrE  (2023-03-25 14:39:56)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

All P5 college programs, save for a few, are operating at 40% to 60% margins in CFB due to the free labor system.

Players should get 50%, or $3B per year.


The most sensible step is to have the NCAA lift it's 3 year
by Irishdog80  (2023-03-26 00:49:47)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

requirement and let the 18-22 year olds go pro whenever the NFL says they are ready...draftable.


step 1: re-distribute the wealth to the players. But I
by MrE  (2023-03-26 10:52:14)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

like your idea, too.


For who? The NFL rookie minimum is $750,000 and you
by Irishdog80  (2023-03-24 19:23:43)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

are suggesting unproven 18-22 year olds at Iowa State University or similar should get, on average, $407,000? Sorry, but that is nowhere near realistic.


sure it is. 50/50 rev share just like NHL, MLB, NFL, MLB
by MrE  (2023-03-24 22:39:01)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

all those unproven NFL draft picks sign huge contracts. It's in their CBA.


What should D2, D3 & NAIA football programs pay players? *
by Irishdog80  (2023-03-25 12:37:04)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


50% of revenues, or maintain status quo. or...who cares?
by MrE  (2023-03-25 14:59:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It's a different industry from Major CFB, Inc.


Revenues vary by program. A 50/50 split for some would put
by Irishdog80  (2023-03-25 12:35:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

the program in the red. Professional sports are focused on one sport. College athletic departments use dollars earned from the revenue producers to fund the non-revenue sports that are a big part of the fabric of a school. Would you pay those other athletes too? They work hard.