for us average joes, I would agree that an ND diploma
by kdh325 (2024-04-18 20:13:47)

In reply to: As someone who never came within 5 counties of being…  posted by usaf_irish


would open more doors, but I don't think for an elite athlete, like Clark or Bueckers, et al, it makes a bit of difference. Their professional career, and life after sports, wouldn't be changed too terribly much if they got an ND degree or an Iowa/UConn degree.


I'm not sure that the ND degree, or any other highly...
by Cavanaugh82  (2024-04-18 22:01:29)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

regarded university, has the same networking pull for athletes. Maybe someone has studied this and found that D1 athletes who do not become professional athletes do just as well financially and career advancement-wise as their non-athlete cohorts but it also seems like an inordinate number of them end up coaching the sport that they participated in, often at the high school level. Maybe that is their choice, is what they love, know, and are passionate about.

Many years ago I was looking to fill a very entry level international position and of the 100 résumés that I received I was very surprised that one of them was from a Duke basketball player (that everyone here would recognize) who had graduated 10 years earlier. I think most people would say that Duke's academic reputation is at least as well respected as ND's but, maybe, the network is not as strong. That's an N of 1 and maybe there was other reasons that an individual would not be able to leverage the Duke degree into a meaningful opportunity.

Of course we have some very bright shining stars of athletes that have been tremendous success in other businesses like Pat Eilars and Kevin Keyes. What about the vast majority of former student athletes, are the same sites opened to them?


Kevin Keyes - my boy!
by LADomer  (2024-04-19 00:32:01)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Used to drink beer with that guy and his girlfriend KRob!! Two of the greatest people and so happy for their success at ND and beyond. Karen Robinson welcomed Muffet to ND and helped build the foundation for what would become an elite program. She left as the leading scorer in ND history and she and Kevin have supported the program in a huge way!

Sorry for the tangent, but this got my thinking of the good ol' days


Thanks for the story, it's great when good things happen...
by Cavanaugh82  (2024-04-19 06:59:32)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

to good people.

I used to live across the street from a former ND scholarship baseball player, who lived across the hall from me my freshman year, and he was VP of finance for a pretty good-sized company that specialized in promotional items, he's done very well, great family. I never asked him, though, whether the ND name or even being a D1 athlete impacted his professional life.

My hope is that the name of the diploma is just as important for everyone and that 40 year decision we advocate for is valid.