On one hand, I 100% agree that she should have had more PT
by drmurray (2019-04-25 20:05:36)

In reply to: Danielle Patterson explains reasons for transferring  posted by RISteve


But on the other hand, she is now on a position to get the most minutes on the team next year and she is leaving.

I'm sure there's more to it, that both parties are graciously handling during interviews.

Personally, I am sorry to see her leave, like I was with Patberg.



Different personalities react differently
by 2ndstreeter  (2019-04-26 11:16:31)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Some can wait for their moment and work through disappointments and others now have the different route of the transfer portal available. She’s missing a big chance to be a part of the leadership of a special team, imo, but wish her the best, day goodbye and move on with those who are here and will be coming in. She’s gone and all my support goes to the ND players and coaches.


Moving On
by hempfield75  (2019-04-26 13:31:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I agree with you that every player is different and every player handles
different situations differently. This is like any other job. You have
to know your people. You treat them all the same, however, some respond
to criticism differently. As talked about before. Dani was always looking
over her shoulders. I watched almost every game this year. When she did
get in. You could see her looking to the bench after she would make a
mistake. That is bad. Make the mistake, correct it, and move on. I
do not think she always did.

...Maybe just maybe that had some influence on her decision to transfer.

...The part about moving on. I am not there yet. The door is still a
crack open. Until it is totally closed and she commits to another
school. She is still IRISH. Even MM said the door is still open for
her.

...I hope she does this the smart way. Look at other schools but do not
forget what is still available to you. It still maybe her best option.

...I am hoping time away will give her a chance to get her emotions
under control and rethink about her decision.

...Like it was mentioned before. The grass is not always greener.

...One final comment. I hate transfers. That is something you do not
plan on. We have a possibility of 4 transfers in about 5 years or
less. That is way to many. Not like other schools but it is still to
high. 1 is to many. What I hope happens is the coaches get together and
brain storm to see what went wrong and what they can do to fix it from
continuing.

SEG/Chief


I support your hope that she might still stay
by 2ndstreeter  (2019-04-26 15:47:15)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

but it sure seems as if she has officially closed that door and the transfer is merely down to where, not if, she’ll do it.

I think we’re seeing a big change in women’s and men’s b ball to a new transfer paradigm. It may or may not continue to keep growing at the rate that it appears to be now, but it’s certainly an adjustment and effect that all coaches, and us fans, are going to have to account for and adapt to.


Thoughts on transfers as a parent of college kids
by drmurray  (2019-04-26 20:05:26)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

My kids graduated from college in 2016 and 2018.

It could be my imagination, but there seemed to be a pronounced increase in college transfers among regular students in my kid's classes than I recall in my days in school.

I always felt that kids who transfer are at a big disadvantge socially because they missed relatuonships that began in the first 1 or 2 years as students. Having said that, if the situation was really bad, a transfer could certainly improve the situation.

Whatever the reason and outcome, it just seemed to me that many more kids these days are transferring.Possibly the same thing we are seeing with athletes?

Anyone else notice this?


Absolutely
by NDLAW88  (2019-04-26 21:51:43)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

My daughter's class seemed to have a lot of transfers and kids leaving college. I always wondered if kids struggle to transition to college because their lives are so structured and ordered through high school and they are unprepared to have the discipline to handle free time once they're on their own.


But is this on the parents or the kid?
by okerland  (2019-04-27 01:07:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I went 1500 miles away from school. It was an adjustment because I had no parents to tell me what to do. I struggled as a sophomore but I also learned that I could live without my parents.


I am not saying why there are so many
by Drmurray  (2019-04-27 09:01:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Transfers. I am just observing many more.


Transfer
by hempfield75  (2019-04-27 12:53:32)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

You are right and I think this might become a big issue in the near
future for all schools if the do not get a hold of it now. Either
student athletes or putting enough time and thought into or the
emotions of the moment are leading them away. I have no problems
with transfer. But lets not make it to easy for them that they make
an emotional decision and not the best decision. I hope I put my
thought out there easy enough to understand.

...Doc I love reading your point. They are on point and easy to
understand and given with a lot of thought and knowledge. Thanks.

SEG/Chief


Been Where She Is
by hempfield75  (2019-04-26 16:16:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I played a lot of sports in my younger days. I was both a starter and bench
warmer. I took me a lot of patience, hard work, and luck of the Irish
to rid me of the bench. I have a good idea what she is feeling. I was going
to be tougher than the coaches. I was going to prove them wrong. It hurts
a lot knowing you should be playing in front of the person that is
currently starting. Good things happen to those that have patience.

... I am hoping she will see what she will miss and the friendships that
she made will be stronger than what is pushing her out the door. I am
hoping time will be on our and her side. For I do believe she is making
a mistake. But I will support her final decision.

...Going to another school will not guarantee her the tools she will need
to get into pro ball. Same thing with the player went out to Oregon. I
did not see anything that would get her drafted in the WNBA.

Hopes and Prayers. Hopes and Prayers.

...Besides I would never put my wants ahead of the teams needs. Never.

SEG/Chief

P.S. I am hoping someone will sit down with her and give her good
advice and not what she wants to hear.


Dani
by hempfield75  (2019-04-26 04:29:55)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I do not think I ever hid that she was one of my favorites. I think she
deserved more minutes. Right or wrong or in different, seeing a freshman
getting almost twice your playing time had to hurt. All these women were
highly rated coming out of HS. She took hits her freshman year and took
them like a team player. Her thinking could have been I will show them
I should play more. Well, It did not work out for her at ND. I really
wish her the best.

...The coaching staff I hope gets together and talks about these transfers,
especially Dani. They may in the future have to change up how they prepare
a team and use more players.

...I hope they handle Cosgrove a little different.

SEG/Chief


There are 200 minutes of playing time in a game.
by sixtythreer  (2019-04-26 16:59:14)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Dani played 10.6 minutes per game, or slightly more than 1/20th of the available minutes.

She averaged 2.9 points per game. If all her team mates averaged 2.9 points per 10 minutes of playing time, the team would score an average 58 points per game.

Dani averaged 1.5 rebounds per game. If all her team mates averaged 1.5 rebounds per game,
the team would have gotten 30 rebounds per game.

Teams that average 58 points and 30 rebounds a game tend to lose.

Whether Dani stays with ND or transfers, she needs to bring "more" to the table. Abby wasn't a great scorer, but it is clear to everybody why Coach had her on the floor as much as she did.

I like Dani. I like her shot. I like her size. I think she can guard a lot of opposing players. I hope she stays. But if she wants more floor time, she will have to give her coach, Muffet or her new coach, "more" of something that the coach wants.

I am sure Muffet did not bring Dani to ND to have her play 10 minutes a game, or to have her warm
the bench. And I believe Muffet plays the players that she believes will give ND the best chance at winning.

Whether Dani goes or stays, she will have to demonsrtate to her coach that she belongs on the floor for more minutes.

I hope she stays and proves to Muffet that she deserves heavy minutes.






Disagree on Your Post
by hempfield75  (2019-04-26 21:17:43)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I am going to be nice and not attack your post. Your way off target on
your thinking and numbers. Comparing her numbers to the other players is
not fair or accurate.

...Besides her numbers for the little amount of time she was on the court
are quite good. At this stage in her career her goal was defense and
rebound. The young woman plated hard every game. You can see that. She
also played scared every game. Always looking to the bench for a butt
chewing or replaced. No other player dealt with that.

...If you are using numbers and expectations for all players. Than the
games Marina did not score 1 point should have gotten her the bench.
Arikes turnovers and thinking me first instead of team. How about the bad
passes by Jess and Jackie. How about the lack of defense from the entire
starting 5. A little defense and this team would have been undefeated.

...So do not look at just one players lack of performance because of
minimum playing time.

...If you have not figured it out. Her transfer is more than just about
playing time, that we will ever know.

...We do not know what went on behind close doors. Meaning their practices.
It is safe to say she received just about the same amount of practice time
with the first unit as playing time in a game. Coaches are limited on
amount of practice time minutes by NCAA. They have to ensure the starters
are prepared for the next game.

...We all know MM does not like to use a bench. But how do you learn if
you do not play. 5 -10 minutes a game is not going to cut it. There quite
a few games she got 0 - 5 minutes. MM decides each game who is going to
play and how much. What does she go by to make that determination, ask
her. It is her team.

...Do not compare her time and effort with Abby. Different type of players.
And different things were asked of each player. Abby was sent out to run,
jump and cause trouble. Was not asked to score.

...I will stop here. Dani came to ND to fulfill her dreams. She tried,
she gave it 2 years and something inside clicked in her. She fills she
needs to move on to fulfill those dreams. I frankly hope she rethinks
her decision. I think where ever she goes the best in her is going
to show up. With confidence in herself, coaches, and team mates. The best
is in front of her. She whats everyone to see what kind of player she
really is. Not the clean up player she has been for 2 years.

...I apologize to the board and fellow members for my post. Like I said
before. I will always defend the underdog. There is 2 sides to every
guy for her time at ND. I will follow her where ever she lands. Just the
way I am.

SEG/Chief


You have no idea
by bbjunky  (2019-04-26 21:35:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Some people have to stop imagining different scenarios that are nothing more than your stories. Please stop


Then I will rewind my true events of scenieros. Some
by hempfield75  (2019-04-27 00:25:55)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

thing you do not have. I have been there. Lived through it. Do not
think you were there with me.

If she is that bad and does not stand a chance. What are you going to do
if she thinks about it. Decides she did make a mistake and rejoins the
team. Who is the bad guy than. Surely, not her. She is still a
human being.

SEG/Chief


Not every player has what it takes
by maverick  (2019-04-26 23:53:22)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Doesn't make her a bad person but she never "seized the moment" by showing she belonged on the court. You don't want to be her "BYE BYE" & good luck