Men's team is a freaking mess.
by ErikND96 (2016-10-29 09:47:39)

In reply to: ND women 2nd, men 10th at ACC championships  posted by jBL

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Not sure if the blame is on Joe's final years of recruiting, or if the current development under Turner/Sparks is the culprit - regardless, what was once a perenial top 10 national qualibre program (late 80s through early/mid 00s), began to slide into the 20s at the end of Piane's tenure and now will miss Nationals for the 3rd consecutive year (first time in 35 years that will happen).

Recruiting distance guys to ND should be about as easy as it gets - sure, there are a few (as in maybe 5 schools) which definatly have a stronger pitch based on location/academics/history (Ore, Stan, CU, Ark, and I guess Nova if someone has a real appreciation for history) - but there is no excuse to be waddling in 10th place in the f**king ACC


When it comes to recruiting, in the Midwest Wisconsin...
by Rocksteady74  (2016-10-30 01:06:23)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

... Michigan and Indiana all have good programs and academics. As an example, look at Wisconsin's Big Ten championships and string of making the Nationals over the past several decades.

ND's slide has been very disappointing.
Given partial scholarships, easy to recruit at state schools
by fontoknow  (2016-11-05 15:57:59)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

out of state cost of attendance at WI is 47K. ND's is somewhere in the high 60s.

A family paying 3/4s of WI vs 3/4s of ND's is much better financial position.

sure there's lots of value in the ND education. But, it's a tough sell.
Agreed, but my point was more focused on the ....
by Rocksteady74  (2016-11-05 20:55:35)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

... fact that Wisconsin's program in cross country is arguably the best in the Midwest, and one of the best in the nation. ND doesn't have a recruiting advantage even if the costs were even. And UW doesn't just draw from the Midwest. They have two from Sydney, Australia (including the new Big 10 champ) and the top runner from Washington a few years ago (a graduate of a Catholic high school as well).