I think it's more perception of Kelly
by ThreeD (2019-12-05 10:40:52)

In reply to: Have we finally burned through our equity?  posted by potatohouse

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There are two main differences between 2006 and 2019. First, Weis was in his second year and Kelly was in his 10th. Second, Weis had a perceived track-record of success in "Big Games"; Kelly does not.

Kelly has burned through his equity, moreso than the ND brand, such that at 11-1, a Kelly-led ND team would likely be outside the playoff spots, even after the conference championship games. They'll consistently be the lowest ranked N-loss team, perhaps not the lowest but near the bottom.

Nobody believes Kelly can pull off a victory against an elite opponent, rightly so.

In 2006, Weis was riding the perception coattails of Super Bowl wins, Patriots, Inc., and the turn-around 2005 season. While the two losses were definite beatdowns, the perception and luster hadn't yet caught up to reality. Easier to spot in hindsight.

If you put a proven-winner at the helm, the perception and equity will revert to similar to 2005/6. When that coach wins a major bowl it'll momentum will soar.

I don't know, man. BK often gets props from the media, for
by ndzippy  (2019-12-05 10:48:21)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

reasons I don't understand.

The linked article (from CBS Sports) was written in May and listed BK as the 7th-best P5 coach in college football.

Athlon rated him #11 overall in June: https://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-all-130-college-football-head-coaches-2019

The Sporting News ranked him #7 overall, also in June: https://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-all-130-college-football-head-coaches-2019

It's articles like these that give the enabler segment of the ND fan base what it needs to support its "who could we get that's better?!?" BS.
The rationale is confusing; but different purposes
by ThreeD  (2019-12-05 12:26:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Like you, I don't understand the rationale for propping him up, such as in articles like you cite. There are probably a couple of things happening there, but both are beyond what I was really meaning.

My post was more directed at the perception of the ND team led by Kelly vis a vis its ranking among top teams rather than than Kelly's ranking among coaching peers.

I looked at the Athlon list
by NDAtty  (2019-12-05 11:07:32)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Doesn't seem crazy. The reality is that the top has been dominated by a few coaches - Saban, Meyer, Dabo. Chryst seems awfully low, but I see that have Dantonio above Kelly and I assume that would change now.

The lists may not give a enough weight to the advantages of coaching at one of the top football schools and therefore give too much credit for a coach simply being at a football school.

In any event, as I have said here in the past, BK's specific level doesn't matter to me. Is he average, above average, good, very good? 5-15, 10-20, 15-25? I don't really care.

There is only one question on the results side of things - has he or can you reasonably expect that he will win an NC? That's it. No need to parse any farther.