so you'd bench a 3 year starter who was 2nd pick in draft?
by irishrock (2020-08-06 17:14:17)

In reply to: If Mirer had gone pro.  posted by Up the Irish


I think that'd be a very "outside the box" kind of idea, candidly.


ND gave up 20 unanswered
by Up the Irish  (2020-08-06 22:44:26)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

after leading 16-0 when Mirer’s pick in the endzone occurred. The air went out of the stadium. So yes, I believe putting McDougal in at that point would have been warranted. Not for the season mind you. Just the remainder of that game.


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by Hanratty5ND  (2020-08-07 10:08:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Yanking Mirer would have been astronomically stupid.
by RagingBull  (2020-08-07 04:27:38)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

We fumbled 4 times that day. None of those were Mirer's fault. Waters' mishandling of the punt was more egregious. And after Mirer's Interception, the Stanford coach made adjustments as if he were a Hall of Fame Coach who had won multiple Super Bowls, had analyzed every play Notre Dame had run for the past 2 years, and coached a defense led by a future Hall of Fame Safety and GM.

In hindsight McDougal was a better fit for Holtz's offense. But McDougal was not a known commodity at the time. His performance in '93 was surprising to most even within the program.


Just for the record ...
by Seamus  (2020-08-07 08:39:26)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Watters was in the NFL by 1992. I was sitting in the end zone corner where Mirer threw the interception. FWIW, the Stanford DB was the only available receiver and he drilled him in the numbers.


Correct
by Hanratty5ND  (2020-08-07 09:58:49)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Watters had fumbleitis in the 1990 Stanford home game,

Bettis fumbled twice in the 1992 game.

The Interception you alluded to was made by John Lynch on a pass intended for Irv Smith.
Mirer was awful that day. But so was the entire offense. To have Stanford score the last 33 points was unforgivable.

The 1992 team really under-achieved. The Michigan tie was another brutal reminder.


Don't let the facts get in the way of the argument, which
by RagingBull  (2020-08-07 10:24:43)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

is that Mirer shouldn't have been yanked even if he did hit Lynch in the numbers. And we fumbled 4 times in '92.

But you and Seamus are correct. Waters was '90. '92 was my senior year and I was at both Stanford games. It seems my recollection of those games has blended into one. I just remember us shitting the bed both times. I was also told my friends and I heckled Janet Evans at one of the 2 games.