my bad

no doubt Quinn is better, was better, hell might still be better today than Book. I see your point on Quinn.

completely agree on that matter. Hell man, I'm in purgatory with Kelly (so maybe I'm not thinking straight). He just runs a program...he recruits big guys for TE and OL...ND has always done that (except Willingham) but he doesn't coach. He doesn't gameplan worth a crap. His offense has always been junk and was junk last night (again)

What I've not seen a lot of talk about is how ND receivers are just okay under Kelly and then do pretty well in the NFL...Claypool is the latest exhibit.