more than a kitchen issue
by bsuryn (2024-04-18 23:10:36)

In reply to: Is the Gug physically unable to accommodate a kitchen?  posted by Bruno95


from comments on MF's podcasts and others, it was a kitchen issue, space issue as players were eating in hallways and , with the increase in analysts and recruiting staff, there was a space issue for football staff. The medical recovery area also was mentioned as deficient in size and equipment. There may have been more, but those issues were the ones I remember.


Medical recovery, as an issue, makes sense *
by SEE  (2024-04-19 07:44:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


what additional square footage would be required to
by MrE  (2024-04-19 07:46:25)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

solve for that problem?

Also, the article listed "other amenities" but strangely didn't list them out specifically. Do we have any information on what those amenities might be?


You must not be an administrator in my school district.
by tdiddy07  (2024-04-19 09:21:40)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

We don’t have dedicated art rooms for all our elementary school. Quick! Tear down the buildings and build three brand-new ones for $100 million before the levy from the high school renovations expires in January to disguise how much the project really costs the taxpayers even though though the district has achieved excellent educational outcomes with these facilities that are deemed deficient based on a standard that isn’t tied to their ability to achieve educational outcomes.


both essentially people businesses.
by MrE  (2024-04-19 15:38:09)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I get the need to have nice work space to attract and retain the best (and to deliver), but the investment seems out of whack with what the true driving forces are of both schools and college football.

I also understand some rich donor may want his name on a tangible building instead of a few years' worth of player payroll.


Yes, teams are eating in hallways. *
by usaf_irish  (2024-04-19 05:48:30)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Of North and South Dining Halls? *
by ACross  (2024-04-19 13:03:52)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


what additional square footage would be required to
by MrE  (2024-04-19 07:45:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

solve for that problem?


I’m neither and architect nor am I an administrator.
by usaf_irish  (2024-04-19 10:35:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Therefore I cannot provide you an intelligent or an informed answer you your question.

What I did was point out something that is happening despite the repeated denials of several board members who do not have any information on the subject.


I don't think anyone is denying that players may be eating
by MrE  (2024-04-19 10:55:13)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

"in the hallway." Although, my follow-up questions would be:

1) how many players, how many times?
2) are players required now to all eat at the same time creating a numbers game bottleneck?
3) what is the existing capacity/square footage and what additional space is required.

I also don't think anyone is denying football players are eating fast food on occasion. I had lunch at Duncan last summer on a drive to Ohio. A table of 5-6 freshmen players were next to me and eating Chik Fil A.

My follow-up questions to that would be:
1) does ND have an issue that other schools do not? Do players at Michigan and Georgia, et al. never eat fast food, in other words?
2) does ND have an accountability or commitment issue with its players (I doubt it, but is that what ND is saying when they push the story that fast food eating is a reason for building a $100M edifice)?


I’m going to give you an answer which you might or might
by usaf_irish  (2024-04-19 11:58:56)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

not find satisfactory.

Sports science is a field which has seen rapid growth over the 5-10 years. Nutrition, sleep, recovery, etc are all exploding in a rather rapid manner. The technology available has fundamentally changed the game so to speak. Programs from high school to the the pros are utilizing wearables to track almost everything now.

To my mind, this new facility will place Notre Dame in a position to leverage this new data and optimize both player performance and player health.

Now, is this a stated reason for the new facility? Most probably not. Most people don’t deep dive on this subject like I have (don’t ask why). It’s far easier to make generic statements that will be more easily digested by the general public. Is this also a deviation from the Notre Dame of old? Most definitely. But this is where sports are in 2024. We can either evolve or die.


You cannot articulate a reason why the food cannot be
by ACross  (2024-04-19 12:58:14)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

prepared and served and eaten at the North and South Dining Halls.

I suggest you might educate yourself on what alumni are trying to explain to you.

It is a bad, bad, bad thing to segregate and sequester the players from the student body for mealtime and for study time. Those are two things that should not be done with the team. If you can't understand it, then bow the fuck out and go listen to your weirdo teetotaling Andrew Huberman podcast.


The only real reason I can posit is the time involved.
by ndroman21  (2024-04-19 15:02:43)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It's going to be a 30 minute or more round trip from the sports complex to the dining hall, right? With the packed schedule of a Division 1 athlete, one might argue that those 30-90 minutes a day (depending on how many meals need to be taken from the sports complex) could be better spent. Particularly during the season.

Another argument might be that the athletes are already eating later than the student body (thus the dining halls having special later hours for athletes) so they are already segregated by timing, even if they're sharing a space.

I tend to agree that having the football team sequestered completely in their own palace is counter to what has made Notre Dame unique. Of course, that has been slowly eroding for a long time.


It should be a one way trip
by ACross  (2024-04-19 16:23:06)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Then to the dorm then to the library then party schooling and Im not fooling. Kegs ducks and grain. That's the ruling.
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I agree.
by Kali4niaND  (2024-04-19 15:13:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Its a nice idea to have all ND students co-mingle, but schedules need to be taken into consideration as well.

Football athletes are generally hitting the weight room first thing in the morning, before they head to breakfast. Practice is in the afternoon, before heading to dinner. So, there's going to be natural segregation just from that perspective.

Maybe the right solution would be to open up the Gug dining facilities to others so that our athletes can invite their non-athlete friends to join them for meals. Lunches can only be had at NDH/SDH since there aren't schedule conflicts.


Please feel free to find where I made any of these points.
by usaf_irish  (2024-04-19 13:32:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

As a point of fact, I do happen to know quite a bit about dining is done for athletes and students at Notre Dame. If you would like to have that discussion, I am more than open to having it with you.

If you want to continue to insult me at every turn, you can sit on it and rotate. I’m frankly done with your childish taunts and sophomoric behavior.


Same people parrotted the we need more private jets
by ACross  (2024-04-18 23:45:09)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Nonsense.

We just spent $450 million on a football stadium. Methinks we can find the analysts a few cubicles over there.

It is just a giant load of crap.