On the subject of assistant coaches…
by BabaGhanouj (2020-05-06 15:12:13)
Edited on 2020-05-06 15:15:16

In reply to: Megan Duffy brought one young assistant with her from  posted by MPG


Since others have treated this post as a segue to Niele’s soon-to-be-announced staff selections, I will continue along that path.

In all the interviews Coach Ivey has given after being named head coach, when asked about her Memphis experience, she has gushed about how much she learned.

I find this both welcoming and troubling. Welcoming, obviously, because she gained needed experience in being submerged within a completely different coaching atmosphere—new drills, new ways of running practices, new emphases on how to relate to and motivate players, new preparations and game strategies, new philosophies on coaching. She can’t say enough about how much she learned and how smart these coaches are.

Troubling, because the experience really seems to have opened her eyes to how limited her coaching experience has been. In a recent interview she said she has “a ton of ideas” from her short time with the Grizzlies. Niele’s lavish praise of her experience is probably, in part, due to her enthusiastic personality, but may also point to how sheltered she has been under a single coach. (Yes, she did get to work for other coaches while in the WNBA.)

Anyway, this is all by way of introduction to say that I would not be surprised if she is trying to get at least one person on her staff who is not part of Coach McGraw’s coaching tree. I would not be surprised if she brings in one (or more) new coach(es).


One big difference in the NBA that can't happen in college
by Kayo  (2020-05-07 17:45:30)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

College coaches cannot require more than 20 hours per week of basketball time when school is in session. That includes practice as well as mandatory meetings, video review, and workouts. Each game counts as three of the 20 hours. Most players will voluntarily train or practice specific skills in addition to the mandatory activities, but that's only a few more hours.

NBA players are full time employees. Because they work full-time schedules, the amount of work and detail that goes into game preparation, training methods, adjusting to self-scouting, and various other aspects of running a basketball team is sunstantially greater and therefore is more sophisticated.

Niele Ivey might not be able to implement half of what the Grizzlies do. Maybe it will be more like 10 percent of their program. Nevertheless, she saw the pros doing things that college coaches simply don't have time to implement. Ivey definiitely will return with a few new coaching tactics she can implement.


NBA
by Mike  (2020-05-06 16:08:43)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Sorry but I don't put much into her being an assistant for a short time in the NBA. It looks great on the resume and I'm sure she learned some things but it's a different game with different rules. I don't think there are many strategies or offense/defense that translate. Sorry, just don't. Felt that way when she took the job and still do. It was great pub and a resume stuffer. She can sell it to recruits.



I have the same thought. And, she may be using it as
by Tim Kelley  (2020-05-06 16:20:45)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

a marketing tool. Happens all of the time in the CFB world. Some exposure to the NBA could be very attractive to ladies who aspire to play in the WNBA, which probably includes most of them. It could be intriguing to some, and certainly cannot hurt.


Seems the board is split on this
by Orangutan  (2020-05-07 02:54:23)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Half think she learned nothing in Memphis and have think she learned too much.

I guess I'll be the one to take Niele at her word.

She knows Muffet's coaching methods and those have been very effective in wcbb. However, it would be almost impossible not to pick up some useful knowledge from a year in the sport's top league.


I’m not sure about the board being split
by BabaGhanouj  (2020-05-07 07:06:50)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

between Niele learning nothing or learning too much, but I wholly endorse that we should “take Niele at her word.” I agree.

Surely, the NBA is a different game than women’s college basketball. Yet, Niele is so adamant when she says, “It was the best year I ever had—the level of learning and expertise I was exposed to on a daily basis.”

I don’t think she’s lying, nor do I think she is stupid (not bright enough to know most of what she learned is not translatable[too many negatives?]). And I don’t think she’s saying it just for great publicity to sell it to the recruits. That also seems a bit disingenuous given how important she says Muffet’s lesson of integrity is to her.

After all, she was the one who went through the experience. We have to give some credence to that. Maybe there was more to the experience than we realize.


Niele has the potential to be a head coach who pushes the
by MPG  (2020-05-07 10:11:34)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

women's game forward. The NBA experience may well have given her some ideas that are applicable to how the women's game might evolve. In addition, I have noticed that recruits seem to follow the NBA with interest.


NBA
by Mike  (2020-05-07 09:19:46)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Seriously, what did you expect her to say about the experience? Not saying she got nothing out of it but i believe it's minimal at best. Go back and watch her interviews and listen to her struggle to answer questions about what she learned.

There was statements made by players that they won games when she scouted opponent. Even that would be different from the rules on defense in particular. She did a great job here with that for Coach to begin with.

Was it exciting and ground breaking? Yes. Still, much to do about nothing. My opinion and will never change. Game is totally different, top to bottom.


There Are Some Very Specific Aspects ...
by dillon77  (2020-05-07 08:35:49)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

...of what Niele picked up from Taylor Jenkins that sounded like she wanted to translate into ND (some plays, sets, etc.). That's great and I completely take her at face value.

As for her gushing about it being a great year, well, it was her first year from out under the wing in a decade. Glad it worked out so well for that one year. But some aspects of it are so very different that it might not even translate.

NBA aside, what I'm interested in is how she grows into the Head Coaching roles. I'm sure her mentor will advise her on everything from outside commitments to dealing with the administration. However for on-court matters, me thinks having someone that has been there, done that will come in handy. Plus it offers another perspective.....Stay tuned.


The Women’s Game is Evolving
by CKDexterHaven  (2020-05-07 16:15:06)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

There is much more athleticism now and individual skills are more and more imitating those seen in the men’s game. It’s at least a plus for her to have been exposed to the level of skills at the highest competitive levels and perhaps to have gained some insights into how they’re developed.


Good Point....
by dillon77  (2020-05-08 06:56:33)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

..and I think our takes even overlap: the indivdiual athletic ability is growing in the women's game as well and a lot of the sets that she picked up are probably predicated on taking advantage of that. Heck, in the NBA, it's almost a given that someone should beat a defender.

Not like that quite yet in the WNBA or college game, but I look forward to seeing what comes out of it.


I even wondered if she might add a male perspective
by NDoggie78  (2020-05-06 15:28:24)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Since she was obviously a female perspective in an almost all male NBA world, she might see that diversity as a good thing. I know Muffet was an advocate for a female staff, but more because women weren't getting jobs in the male side of basketball (and Muffet did have men on her staff in the past)

Again, I would be happy with the status quo, but that also assumes the staff wants to remain and work under a new coach. Decisions have to be made by all parties.


My fantasy
by WaxonWaxoff  (2020-05-07 04:09:22)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

has always been having Ruth Riley return to ND in a coaching role. Who better than her to coach post players? I know, pipe dream