SFP vs. VC
by eendler (2020-10-19 15:58:19)

In reply to: No retrospective punishment for Pickford  posted by wcnitz


My interpretation of this (and other higher level referees in our state) is that Serious Foul Play can only be sanctioned when the ball is in play and when its a legitimate play on the ball. So because the offside occurs before the foul - it simply can't be SFP because the ball is no longer in play.

Its not that Serious Foul Play can't be sanctioned on this play or any play where an offside occurs - its that it is upgraded and punished as Violent Conduct. I don't think we need a change in the laws of the game to accommodate for this - its what higher level referees are taught to do in this situation.

The Premier League just doesn't have the stones.....and goalkeepers generally get away with murder....


How can you call it VC?
by wcnitz  (2020-10-19 16:34:18)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It's a clear challenge on the ball. Had he taken out VVD well after a whistle had blown (regardless of offense) then you can have that discussion because then it's no longer a challenge on the ball, but in this scenario you can't just flip it to VC because an offside offense took place prior.

You CAN send off for SFP immediately after a whistle for a challenge on the ball. This happened with Richarlison, because he technically made the challenge after the whistle was blown for the foul with Mane. I don't remember the year this was changed, but it was done so that challenges that started outside the field of play but resulted in UB or SFP just off the field of play would still result in a sanction.

The issue is that offside has a line item exception for fouls that occur after the offense and doesn't indicate anything about sanctioning for said foul.

edit: BTW, none of this excuses PGMOL. They continue to be shit.


SFP
by eendler  (2020-10-28 15:22:42)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Its not that I would consider it VC.

In order for it to be SFP, all the requirements for a foul must also be met. Because the ball is not in play, it cannot be a foul, therefore it cannot be SFP. It gets upgraded to VC.

That's why they won't retroactively punish it. Because VC comes with a longer suspension.