Questions And Kelly

(Notre Dame Football News ) – I’m not sure where Old Man’s guide to surviving the off-season ( which details the normal ebb and flow of Irish emotion during the off-season) resides right now, but it appears that four straight bumbled hires have at least temporarily caused flow interruptus.  Pre-season hopes, especially in a coaching change situation, are generally high as reports of X player “making a move,” “a new attitude” and “personnel adjustments” replace memories of past failure.  Bruno95 reconstructed many of those for us all on Rock’s House lest anyone forget.

Notre Dame fans have become worn down by failure and forced by years of mediocrity to adjust their sites and adopt what has become known as the Missouri stance on NDNation with regard to Notre Dame football.  Vannie’s take in Patience and Measuring Success is reminiscent of what Notre Dame experienced in Holtz’s first year:  “The barometer for this year’s team, if I may steal a cliché, will not be whether it wins or loses but how it plays the game. That’s admittedly an unacceptable concept to Notre Dame and Kelly would never publicly settle for fewer than 12 wins, but it’s more important that this group of players shows steady progress throughout the season and does not fall victim to the mindset that has crept into the program during the last three years: losing is no big deal.”

We weren’t winning at a high level in Holtz’s first year, but Notre Dame started to play like a team that was learning how to win and, most importantly, hated losing. After following four straight bad hires, Kelly is going to be under considerably more pressure to deliver on his goal of a 5-minute rebuilding process.

While I’ve detailed all the reasons I believe Kelly will likely have a good floor (very much in-line with Vannie’s thinking), the ceiling is another issue.  When Kelly was hired, in addition to the positives that I thought were  true regardless of the size of the school he came from, I also listed out  key questions and concerns about Kelly that couldn’t be answered by analyzing his time at smaller schools.

  • Will he emphasize controlling the line of scrimmage?
  • Will his pass first offense fly against a higher level of competition?
  • Can he handle the pressure cooker of Notre Dame without turning defensive?
  • Will his assistants be up to the task?
  • Can he recruit?
  • Will he be able to motivate Prima donnas?

Will he emphasize controlling the line of scrimmage?

When Notre Dame has been successful in modern football, it has controlled the line of scrimmage.  Holtz used to always say that you knew how good his teams would be by how good the offensive line looked.   It’s not of little note that the last three BCS champions physically out-manned the opposition at key moments late in the game.  Three years ago, LSU dominated the line of scrimmage against Florida in the SEC title game and went on to win the National Title with a running back and quarterback who weren’t on anyone’s elite list out of high school.  Florida did the same to Alabama and Oklahoma one year later and Alabama, in-turn, physically beat Florida and Texas at the line of scrimmage.  Neither quarterback Greg McElroy nor Heisman winner Mark Ingram were highly recruited, but they played behind a tough offensive line that dominated in the third and the fourth quarters.  All of those teams also played great defense and stuffed the run. In contrast, Kelly’s approach is to spread you out and run you into the ground with pace and execution.  Which brings me to to the next question.

Will his pass-first offense fly against a higher level of competition?

It has worked spectacularly at his last three stops.  Kelly’s approach is to disregard time of possession in favor of a fast-pace in an attempt overwhelm teams, which has resulted in many blowout wins.    Kelly has stated that he doesn’t care about time of possession, only points and he hopes to keep the pressure on the opposition for quarters until they break (the Viagra play harder-longer theory.)  It worked well last year with an impressive, if sloppy come from behind win over Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh (15th ranked) in the snow, but the only times Kelly’s teams faced top level competition (Oklahoma, Florida, Penn State, Michigan and Virginia Tech) his teams stalled and lost by double digits.  While I’m not a spread fan, Texas and Oklahoma have made it work.  That written, Texas has been moving their offense more under center and Oklahoma will switch to an I-formation much of the time.   Kelly has talked about the need to run the ball and offensive coordinator Charlie Molnar said, “I would be disappointed if we go through this season without a 1,000-yard rusher at the running back position.”  In the past Kelly has had several 200- yard rushing teams and Coach Warriner has coached three teams to the NCAA rushing title, but those were all at Grand Valley and Army (to be fair, Warriner had very good success at Illinois in the Big 10.)

Can he handle the pressure cooker of Notre Dame without turning defensive?

So far, Kelly has adopted the right “high expectation,” “win now,”  “show me” mentality and said mostly the right things, but none of that matters much if you start losing.  He’s built up some short-term political capital by working with the faculty and hitting the alumni circuit, but that’s a thin layer of insulation.  As great as Lou Holtz was, he endured endless criticism about his play calling (ironic given how productive his teams were) and turned defensive many times, though more so at the end.   Davie and Willingham were abominable in this regard, alternately lowering expectations, blaming institutional shortcomings and throwing players under the bus. Kelly has enjoyed both low expectations and high success at his last three stops, that won’t be the cases at Notre Dame.   It’s hard not to be impressed by his off-season handling of the media, but that’s nothing compared to the day-in day-out examine every word scrutiny he’ll be under in South Bend during the season and especially so during hard times.

Will his assistants be up to the task?

This has become one of the most interesting questions around Kelly and I see two competing issues.  At first blush, a first time offensive coordinator and a second year defensive coordinator at Notre Dame looks a bit Weisesque.  And it does at second blush as well.  Neither has been proven.  Diaco’s defense last year had a remarkable eight game run and was a top ten defense in the country with ten new starters in 2009.   That same defense was pummeled in the final games of the regular season and by Florida in their bowl game.  Charlie Molnar is a first year offensive coordinator.  Kelly’s philosophy is an interesting choice here, because he has a roadmap for how to turn a team around and he places a priority around coaching cohesiveness over accomplishment and experience.  Some thought I was lauding this approach in my series of articles about his coaching philosophies, but in truth, I’m more fascinated by the approaches and nervously interested to see how they play out on a big stage.  I’ve been critical of the Diaco hire, but only because he’s unproven.  Kelly is the de-facto offensive coordinator.  Balancing out the lack of experience he has Warriner who was an offensive coordinator at Kansas and Chuck Martin who was his defensive coordinator at Grand Valley State, but when you compare that to a Monte Kiffin, you just wonder how it will play out.  Kelly, for the reason Vannie mentioned above, needs his kind of coaches to execute on his winning every day approach because it involves constant communication of the same message, but there is a big trade-off in experience compared Texas with Muschamp and USC with Kiffin.

Can he recruit?

This is another valid criticism of Kelly because he hasn’t done it and has a staff that is mostly regional.  There are two parts to this questions.  1.  Does he value the top recruits over “RKGs” or is RKG a euphemism for “guys I can get or coach”?  2. Can he land them at the level Notre Dame needs to win a championship?  Both are very open questions right now.  On the discouraging front, it appears Kelly did go after some low hanging fruit early on (eager to be proven wrong) and outside of Tony Alford, there doesn’t appear to be stud recruiter on the staff.  While his first class is solid, it will likely not measure up to the first classes of Saban and Meyer. On the positive side, he has beaten out Meyer, Saban and Tressell for coveted recruits and has also shown a knack for identifying talent.    Men don’t reach their physical peaks (in general) until after college, so there is a bit of a science to this as well and he and Paul Longo have well developed theories on what to look for.  It just hasn’t been tested.  Overall, there does appear to be a decent base here, we won’t regress to the Willingham years, but the early returns are mixed.

Will he be able to motivate Prima donnas?

And by Prima Donna’s I really mean top players with multiple distractions. Kelly’s focus on execution as well as his ability to develop and motivate players (combined with winning) to play above their potential were and are key key reasons I think Kelly has a strong floor, but how will that change when he has to motivate the non-RKGs who have incredible talent?  While some may argue that he proved himself managing Mardy Gilyard, that’s a bit naive.  BCS title teams often have several first and second rounders with myriad distractions around them.  While Kelly has shown a knack for finding a way to motivate his kids, he hasn’t done so at this level with the mentality in the numbers he’ll encounter at Notre Dame.  Kelly’s immediate actions to address “the entitlement issue” and his planning around team cohesion and his ability to call out top players like Manti Teo and Michael Floyd are encouraging, but he’s in stage one of a new game.  The story about his high school girls basketball team shows that he isn’t delusional about what makes kids tick (great coaches tale,) but he’s going to be challenged in new and different ways.  Holtz, Rockne and Ara were all challenged in constantly motivating their teams.

Will he have as much success when he’s the target every week?

Things change when you move from being the hunter to the hunted.  Notre Dame, even in down years, is traditionally in every team’s top two must win games on their schedules.  Every week teams are looking to make a name off of beating Notre Dame.  While Notre Dame hasn’t had a Heisman winner since Tim Brown, recent Irish teams have helped make Carson Palmer, Matt Leinhart and Troy Smith Heisman winners and propelled  JaMarcus Russell into a first round overall pick.  Teams want to beat Notre Dame and have every possible incentive to do so once they’re on a national stage.   While at Cincinnati, Kelly was only really  the hunted in his final games against decent schools in the 2009 season, which were all very close.  He won’t be sneaking up on anyone and being the hunted at Notre Dame will be a different than he’s experienced at any of his previous stops.

Kelly has a promising start and a solid track record of getting his teams to over-perform which position him well, but when you start looking at the specific challenges he’ll face at Notre Dame, he’ll be in new territory and learning some things on the job.

by Scott Engler

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28 thoughts on “Questions And Kelly

  1. Strongly disagree! “After following four straight bad hires, Kelly is going to be under considerably more pressure to deliver on his goal of a 5-minute rebuilding process.” Why would he be under more pressure? He’s the 5th guy ND hired – the others couldn’t get it right. I think with each coaching failure expectations are lowered. When Lou would lose one maybe two games a year people woudl be devastated because we knew he could win it all. I think any ND fan would welcome a two lose season at this point and winning BCS type bowl games.

  2. I don’t get this “at this level” Scott keeps referring to. We haven’t won a National Championship since 1988, that’s 22 year ago. At one time we were on a 9 bowl game losing streak. Navy has beaten us 2 out of the last 3 times we played them. I can’t even count the amount of times we got blown out of the waters by teams “at this level” over the last 15 years. We were not even at Cincinatti’s level the last three years. They would have killed us with supposedly less talent (queue Navy and Connecticut). We are not “at this level”, we haven’t been “at this level” since Holtz, and we will not get back “at this level” until we humble ourselves and realize that we are not entitled to be “at this level”, and fight like hell to get back “at this level”. Finally, I sure hope the players don’t have the attitude Scott does and thing that they are “at this level” and are above opponents such as Purdue who they are about to meet in a few days.

    • Right on, Beresford. I could not have said it better myself. I would simply add that all this concern among some ND fans about whether Brian Kelly can handle his job is laughable.

  3. Somewhat fair, though there’s not much factual support for any of this. Just some feeling about how things will turn out. And besides, none of it matters at this point, as we’re only 4 days out. Either he’s going to win or he’s not going to win.

    I’d like to point out some points of contention I have with much of the stuff I’ve read this preseason:

    1) There is constant comparison to the ’85-’86 (5W-6L) years. Many continue to say that Holtz’s first year was no better record wise but the team played significantly better. My problem with that is:
    (a) The ’86 schedule was the toughest in the nation including games against #1 Penn St, #7 Michigan, #9 Alabama, and #11 LSU.
    (b) The ’86 team outscored opponents 299-219. That was an improvement over the ’85 team which was actually OUTSCORED 230-234. In addition, the ’85 team lost 4 of those 6 games by more than a TD. 3 of those games were blowouts.

    Last year, we outscored the opponent 361-311, we played a schedule that was average at best and only included #15 Pitt and #22 USC. If our play improves significantly, we won’t finish 6-6. We’ll be 9-3 or better. That being said, Kelly’s true effect can’t be judged for 3 years.

    2) The idea that Kelly is a risk because he does not have BCS-level coaching experience is a misnomer. This skewed view has been populated by the media, bloggers and other bloviators that have done little work on the topic. In fact the number of coaches who have been successful at lower levels of college fb (I-AA, II, III) and then failed at higher levels is almost non-existent. We see it often in basketball, but definitely not in football. In fact the list of coaches who have achieved the highest level of success having come from lower level college coaching is not short (Jim Tressel, Paul Johnson being the easy examples).

    In truth, the most important quality of a COLLEGE football HEAD coach isn’t scheme, previous bcs experience, defensive background or other. It is an innate ability to motivate 17-22yr old young men. This is not a talent that is easily acquired, but those that possess it can go anywhere and win (Lou Holtz, Mack Brown, Urban Meyer, Saban, Spurrier, Tressel). FYI…the biggest impact on their ability to motivate appears to be age and length of tenure. As they get older, their ability diminishes…and Kelly is young by coaching standards.

    Assuming the traditional statistics hold, the only thing separating ND from success under Kelly is TIME. This was the best hire ND could have made.

  4. Great piece, but I would argue that the Cincinnati offense in 2009 was real. Against a Florida defense chock full of future NFL draft picks, on an off day, without their head coach, with their star receiver (Gilyard) playing his worst game of the year, the Bearcats scored 24 points, more points than the Gators allowed all year except to national-champion Alabama (32). Florida didn’t remove its first-string defense until about 45 seconds were left. Watching the game I got the impression that Meyer knew that if he did, Cincinnati would score another 14 points very quickly.

    • Uh, that Cincinnati offense was losing 44-10 before Florida gave up a couple of TDs in the 4th qtr. They only had 3 points to the Gators 31 at halftime. So no, I am not impressed by what that Cincy offense did to Florida. They got TOTALLY SHUT DOWN for 75% of the game.

      Scoring at the end of the game, when the other team is already laughing all the way to the bank at you is not going to cut for ND.

  5. “The Piper” has the real insight as to what makes a successful coach tick. Football is very similar to war and battle. The side with the best generals usually win. The ability to motiveate and lead usualy produce the victor. The three stumblebums between BK and Holtz were least of all motivators and leaders. The last one had never before gone to war as a soldier. BK, from all appearances has the stuff necessary to turn this around and get us back to being the “Fighting Irish”.

  6. Beresford – well said. Notre Dame has been humbled on the field many times recently and that is good, because being humbled builds character – if you let it.

    I think Kelly will come out of the gate much faster than Holtz because of the talent he inherited from Charlie Weis – Charlie was no college coach, but the man could recruit. And remember that last year Kelly took a team of 2 and 3 star players and COACHED them to a 12-0 record and a final national ranking of 5. (IOW they would probably have given Notre Dame a good whipping last year.)

    Now he is at the helm of a team with 3,4, a 5 star players who are tired of getting their butts whipped.

    Step 1 – Regain the

  7. Kelly has had a target painted on his back before at Grand Valley. You don’t take a program to the heights he did (even in division II) without everyone you play wanting to knock you off your pedestal.

  8. Under the commentary, “Will his pass-first offense fly against a higher level of competition”, the author failed to mention one of the most successful pass happy teams in the nation, the Florida Gators. They have been extremely successful running this spread offense. Was this a purposeful oversight or does Florida have a true pass oriented spread-offense. I believe the latter. Just an observation not an analysis.

    • “The author failed to mention one of the most successful pass happy teams in the nation, the Florida Gators” – That’s actually not true at all, but the media/blogosphere continues to repeat it over and over again. Need to cut the author some slack here.

      FACT: Florida is far from a pass happy offense and hasn’t been one since Spurrier left. They run a single-wing type version of the spread, and therefore the focus is on the RUN, not the pass. In ’09, Florida ranked #10 in the country in rushing offense (222yds/game) and #44 in the nation in passing (236yds/game).

      During their ’08 national championship run, Florida ranked #7 in rushing offense (231yds/game) and #42 in passing (214yds/game).

      They are a running spread team. Not a passing team.

  9. The most important of these, of course, is number one. If you control the line of scrimmage, everything else falls into place (or, rather, if you control the line of scrimmage, everything else is in place). This is the toughest task there is. And, Holtz clearly understood this, as does just about every other coach. The trouble is that it’s a very rare coach that can implement this.

    So, this goes back to Kelly: can he get his linemen to dominate up front. And, I see this on both sides of the ball. If you can dominate up front on offense and you can get to the quarterback on defense, you can win a lot of football games even if you have substandard running backs and receivers. Ingram became a great back because of Alabama’s line. They move people around. I haven’t seen Kelly enough to know whether he can do this. But, in the times that I saw Cinci last year, they looked very solid. I don’t put too much emphasis on the Florida loss; the Gators were motivated and the Bearcats were demoralized. So, we’ll see on this front.

    You are spot on to note that the other big issue is whether the coach appreciates that Notre Dame is everyone’s favorite — or second favorite — opponent. This means everyone looks to play their best in South Bend and they absolutely play their best in East Lansing, Chestnut Hill, Ann Arbor, Palo Alto, Los Angeles, Annapolis, and etc. For our opponents, nothing beats beating Notre Dame at home. How Kelly responds to this is critical.

    If he takes care of the lines and he handles the pressure cooker that’s South Bend, the other pieces — recruiting, talent development and etc., will fall into place. Weis got into trouble by forgetting that these kids are, well, kids. They’re 18 and 19 and 20. They need someone to teach them how to correctly and effectively block and tackle. Let’s hope that Coach Kelly does this well.

  10. The team must excell on Defense, Offense, and Special Teams. ALL three aspects are requisite, PLUS the mental part of the game.

    It seems that Coach Kelly understands this. We’ll see if 2010 will recall the Magical 1964 Season! Best wishes to the team and the coaching staff!

  11. I don’t see the hiring of Charlie Weis as a bumbling one. We blew it with the Urban Meyer fiasco, and no one else wanted to come. Charlie stepped up as a loyal son, and were it not for his efforts, Kelly would have no good talent to play, and ND would not have been attractive to him.
    Let’s all recognize that we owe Charlie a lot of our gratitude. It didn’t work out, but it wasn’t because he didn’t care, or didn’t work hard. He just did not have the head coaching experience required. But he stepped into the gap, and with honor began the restoration of Notre Dame football, which will be completed with Kelly’s work.

    • You’re right Andy, Weis did step up when seemingly no one else wanted the job. He restocked the cupboard, because Ty wanted to play golf instead of recruit and motivate. But, Weis’ attitude, arrogance, and the attitudes and actions he allowed his players to present make it very difficult to show him much gratitude right now.

      If BK coaches ND to 34 wins and a NC in the next 3 years with many of Weis’ players, and then continues winning after that, it will be much, much easier to appreciate Charlie’s role.

  12. wow everyone calm down this is not a game of who can out intellectualize one another over the state of the Notre Dame football program. I think you have to let this Coach do his thing with the players especially if it produces 10-12 wins a season maybe a 9 win season in there I will take anyone who can get the Irish to think play and believe they are the best I believe TIME is the key here. One game at a time folks We do expect to kick everyone’s butt each year but there are occassional bumps lets just enjoy the ride back to the top ok?! Big Group Hug!!! GO IRISH!

  13. The talk of the pass happy spread offense concerns me. My concern is that we have a coach who may stick to an approach/scheme too rigidly. I’m not saying this is the case, but any coach who subscribes to the spread offense concerns me on this front. At cincy, Kelly had to come up with something that would win … and the pass happy spread offense seams to have done that quite well for him. Now that Kelly is at Notre Dame, does he recognize that he has a larger talent pool to draw from and can do different things? I wouldn’t expect him to throw his approach out the door, but I’d feel much more comfortable if he was the kind of guy who will back off the pass if the run game is working. If you’re playing a team and you can dominate them with a running attack that’s scoring points (whether it be a spread running attack or not) why continue to try and score as quickly as you can? Logically, this just doesn’t make sense to me. A high-flying pass attack is a great tool that I love my team possessing, but if you’re chewing a team up for 5 yards a carry … you keep their offense off the field, you keep your defense fresh, and you chew up clock … there is no reasonable argument to still pass in that situation. From what I have read, however, it sounds as if kelly would still choose to pass and keep scoring at a high-rate. This question will be answered shortly … but coaches that have gimmick offenses will be better if they don’t live and die by it but are highly adaptable.

    • Stef, maybe you misunderstand BK’s approach to the spread. He may pass a lot, but the offense leans towards balance. Last year Cincy rushed for 1803 yards, 5.0 per carry. 2008 was only 3.6 per carry, but 07 was over 4.

      This isn’t a gimmick offense. We’ll see a far better rushing attack than Weis gave us.

  14. Good article and excellent questions to see how our answers change in six months. The last two years Notre Dame had no trouble starting the season fairly strong and then completely faded down the stretch. What I am looking forward to seeing is whether we actually improve throughout the season instead of looking worse by November. I don’t think Kelly will have ANY trouble motivating this team because he recognizes how special Notre Dame is, which means he also knows everyone wants to beat us. Just listen to how many times he says “football coach at Notre Dame” is pressers — he knows it’s special and he loves to be able to say it. I listen to him for five minutes, and I am ready to run out there and his someone! I imagine for an ND football player, his talks are going to be about 10x as inspiring.

    Two areas I think will be the most interesting: (1) as you mention, assistant coaches with less experience — Kelly’s the motivator, they are the teachers, so I tend to think he sees an ability in them to teach kids the fundamentals as well as come up with good game plans, but we’ll see how that matches up with the top coordinators in college football; (2) ability to blend recruiting with ego management and motivate these types of players will I think be his most difficult challenge: look at the attitudes of many of the 5 star recruits (Seantrel Henderson is a prime example) – high school kids that the national media actually cares what they say — the attention they get early on, as well as plenty of other reasons, means a lot of these kids are already starting with big egos and plenty of other distractions. Bringing in high enough talent while still keeping the team playing as a unit and out of an agent’s house on the lake is going to be difficult.

  15. Count me among the optimists. I was there the last year of Faust and first year of Holtz and the difference was PALPABLE. One man can, and will, make a difference.

  16. It’s strange how ND Nation were champions of Willingham and Weis before they coached a game but now take a jaundiced view of Brian Kelly, a man whose accomplished much more at the collegiate level than both of them together. This doesn’t guarantee that Kelly will wake up the echoes or enjoy the same level of success at ND that he did at Cincy, but judging by his ability to resurrect three different programs things look pretty good for ND.

    I predict there will be some setbacks along the way but Kelly has shown that he can adapt and make the necessary changes. I am bothered by the fact that his vaunted offenses were completely stymied by Oklahoma, Va Tech and Florida but I believe this was because he had a patchwork O-line with average running backs at least in 2007 and 08′. I think Florida still would have won the game (but not 51-24) had Kelly been on the sidelines but there should be an asterisk next to that loss considering that the team was in a state of disarray with Kelly leaving and all the assistant coaches leaving the day after the bowl game to either join Kelly at ND or Quinn at Buffalo. Under these circumstances I felt most of Cincy’s players didn’t seem to even care about the game. Conversely, rumors of Meyer’s stepping down had Florida players pumped up to make sure Meyer went out a big winner.

    Just how would Meyer have fared while at Utah against a top 5 team instead of #22 Pittsburgh in the Fiesta Bowl? If USC torched Oklahoma 55-19 just think what they would have done to Meyer’s Utah squad so we shouldn’t place that much emphasis on a game that Kelly didn’t even coach in.

    Let’s not forget that Meyer didn’t set the SEC on fire in year 1 and his “gimmicky” offense was the butt of jokes culminating in a complete 31-3 meltdown at Alabama. But he went back to the drawing board, made adjustments to his offense and Florida won the national championship the next year while the offensive guru Charlie FaustWeis was watching his squad get dismantled by LSU in the Sugar Bowl. Suddenly Meyer’s offense went from gimmicky to “innovative” according to the football punditocracy. Winning seems to do that.

    I just see Kelly has having the some of the same intangible qualities as Urban Meyer.