I just can't get into new space
by Ravenium (2020-05-30 16:39:03)

In reply to: Goddamn, that’s cool. *  posted by Irishted


I think it's a lot of people that didn't grow up with the space race or space program and now feel like everything hasn't been done before when it totally has. Maybe I'm bitter the shuttle program basically faded as I grew up.


There's some good and bad in Newspace
by The Irish Cardinal  (2020-05-30 18:22:50)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I've seen some companies - led by big names like SpaceX and Blue Origin - that have spearheaded a lot of new tech development. Things like reusable rockets, very large satellite constellations, and small satellite tech. Great stuff.

But for every one of those, I've seen about five companies that never should have gotten off the drawing board. It seems like Newspace culture brings out the worst elements of Silicon Valley startups. From how they treat their personnel to the obfuscation about their business plan, even as far as never intending to accomplish what they set out to do.

So yeah, it's hard for me to get excited about Newspace, either, but I have a healthy amount of respect for what SpaceX has accomplished here.


The small rocket space is going to collapse.
by R2D2isAMeanDrunk  (2020-05-30 18:45:38)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

There's a huge amount of activity there, but they all seem to be focused on the same customers with novelty technology that isn't clear if it will really give some substantial benefit.

To your point, fundamentally rewriting the economics of getting to space, both LEO and beyond, is worthy of both celebration and optimism for what could be next.


Yes, too many companies, not enough customers.
by The Irish Cardinal  (2020-05-30 22:19:19)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

But it goes beyond that. Some of these companies are simply a cash grab. They have no intention of completing the task they state to the VCs when fundraising.

In two companies that I'm familiar with, the products would fundamentally violate the laws of physics. For one in particular, it's likely a front to produce a similar tech that could be used for more...nefarious purposes.


It feels a little like the Internet model.
by VTND  (2020-05-30 23:01:47)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Get something out there, and figure out how to make money on it later. Access to LEO is so cheap now, high schools are launching microsatts.


Lecturer at the most recent Iridium event said...
by Giggity_Giggity  (2020-05-31 00:36:17)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

...there were 165 “satellite” companies out there. Maybe one or two would make it. Reference OneWeb going tits up, and they were well capitalized!


Speaking of Iridium...read an investment article on them
by rflor  (2020-05-31 08:06:11)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Talk about a financially well-run company. They kept their head down, paid off debt, and are now planning to pay out a dividend. I found it impressive as you hear so little about them as compared to the big Telco plays.


It’s like the horseless carriage. Why would anyone want one.
by socal_doubledomer74  (2020-05-30 23:30:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Or the computer. It fills an entire floor after all.


I want to believe. *
by R2D2isAMeanDrunk  (2020-05-31 01:00:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


The first stage recovery capability of Falcon 9 is new tech
by Tommy Baseball  (2020-05-30 17:02:17)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Although at this point, that is pretty old hat.

The next big thing for space will be Starship and Super Heavy. If SpaceX can get that working, that will not only be the world's tallest and heaviest rocket, but also a huge step forward in reusability as the entire rocket will be reusable.

If nothing else, the development makes for some entertaining TV.


Yesterday’s explosion didn’t help matters.
by rflor  (2020-05-30 17:05:52)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I read it was the third major failure of a Starship engine test. Optimist in me says SpaceX is good at analyzing and adapting to these failure scenarios.


They haven't lost any due to engine failure
by Tommy Baseball  (2020-05-30 17:13:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The previous three were tank failures. This one appears to be a failure with the Ground Support Equipment. Speculation is that the hoses that feed liquid methane to the rocket separated after the engine fire. All that free propellant caught fire and destroyed the vehicle.

The important part of the failures is that they've had three failures in four months. The rate of improvement is impressive. They just destroyed SN4 and SN5 is already ready to put on the test stand (thought the test stand will need to be rebuilt). The failures are setting them back weeks rather than years.


I grew up with the shuttle
by fontoknow  (2020-05-30 16:59:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It was pretty badass watching the first launch. It was awesome going to the cape and watching Sally Ride on her first mission.

I think SpaceX is more important and will result in a deeper, more meaningful impact on humankind. Cheap affordable access to Space is what was supposed to be the promise of the shuttle. It was never realized.


I think when we land on the moon again
by DBCooper  (2020-05-30 16:52:47)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It will be a huge event. Not 1969 level, but a big deal. The video alone will be amazing.


why'd we stop going to the moon?
by irishrock  (2020-05-30 18:36:17)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

If we said we wanted to go the moon ASAP, how long would it take to get there?


Because there’s nothing up there but a pile of rocks. *
by Ndwahoo  (2020-05-31 07:02:38)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Again?
by The Holtz Room  (2020-05-30 17:18:53)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I kid.


Special effects have gotten a lot better, so I expect so. *
by milhouse  (2020-05-30 17:08:12)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


As long as Coppola is still directing it should be good *
by DBCooper  (2020-05-30 17:33:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


We should be so much farther along.
by Wooderson  (2020-05-30 16:42:19)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I suppose the computer revolution was a natural off shoot of the space race, but the Shuttle was an expensive diversion that was value engineered to be jack of all trades, master of none.


Things will accelerate once Cochrane’s warp drive happens *
by Inigomontoya  (2020-05-30 17:01:17)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Even an Epstein drive would be a great help. *
by milhouse  (2020-05-30 17:08:33)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


I just hope the Vulcans don’t hold us back
by graNDfan  (2020-05-31 09:37:30)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Fight the power!