ND will never have consistent top 5 classes, but let’s hang in there around 10-15 every year and hope we catch Clemson and Alabama!
Pretty amazing how ND’s location, academics and other schools’ television exposure weren’t an issue from 1913-2007, but suddenly we can’t sniff the top 5!
What’re you going to do?? Everyone knows all those great ND players chose what college they went to for four years based on the chance to be on TV 3 times a year. Now our advantage is gone!
expectation. Pretty tough to go on the road against "superior talent."
Markese Stepp in the LA Times today.
6 feet 235 pounds Cathedral High School Indianapolis....
I wish we got him. I hate when we lose Indiana players...esp from a Catholic HS.
Cathedral is one of 15 Holy Cross HSs in the country.
They are known as "The Fighting Irish".
Academic rumors... who knows...
to USC. The rumor was ND dropped him after an academic issue was discovered. I have no exact detail. Maybe others remember better.
and has a greater number of scholarship players even though the ranking is lower. As noted, the ranking doesn't account for position distribution or seniority. For instance, most of UGA and SC's best recruits are in the freshmen and sophomore classes. It does reveal our current lack of Jaylon Smith / Michael Floyd type difference makers.
Level as Alabama/Clemson due to school demands (and if my history is correct, ND actually enjoyed an Alabama-like talent advantage in its most successful eras - Talking Irish is a great read) then you have to win on team scouting, development, coaching and simply having more physically developed players (kids don’t hit their peak till age 26).
I think the impact of Tommy’s Dad might be more than most think.
And I’m not suggesting you have to accept that. Winning solves a lot of recruiting problems and there’s ample evidence ND was way behind in its recruiting process
Isn't he in his second year at Wake Forest now?
Time immemorial. And i dont accept that Tommys dad has anything to do with theprice of tea in China. Im sure hes a nice guy and all but give me a fucki g brea. Its not like we plucked him from the rarefied air. kelly's most recent game was a colossal embarrassment. So spare the board the cascading management principles crap.
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Time immemorial. And i dont accept that Tommys dad has anything to do with theprice of tea in China. Im sure hes a nice guy and all but give me a fucki g brea. Its not like we plucked him from the rarefied air. kelly's most recent game was a colossal embarrassment. So spare the board the cascading management principles crap.
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The major difference- seven 5* recruits for Clemson, only one for us.
I posit we're a few elite players(and a home run hire to replace BK) away from a 2022 national championship.
Aside from Urban, who is it? No one is proven so you're throwing darts. Fact is Kelly has 3 undefeated seasons over the past 10. Urban, Satan and Kelly meet the bill. That's it. He has had a better run than Lou...Lou came in 1st once, 2nd once, and then a lot of inexplicable sub par finishes. I throw up in my mouth typing this. I LOVE Lou. That's the facts. Prove me wrong....you can't.
This is how Michigan trash talks and thinks. Fuck me running.
First of all, we only had two undefeated regular seasons under Kelly, one of which we later had to vacate in its entirety.
Second, after those undefeated regular seasons, we got annihilated in the bowl games -- 42-14 and 30-3. That's so bad that you can add the number of points that ND managed in those games together and you still don't approach a winning score.
(Edit: if you were trolling, then well done. You got me.)
1988 80.4 (2nd most difficult in the nation that year)
1989 81.6 (1st)
1990 79.9 (4th)
1991 79.1 (5th)
1992 76.2 (26th)
* 1993-96 not available
2010 74.76 (22nd)
2011 74.54 (25th)
2012 75.83 (21st)
2013 74.83 (30th)
2014 73.88 (33rd)
2015 76.04 (17th)
2016 73.28 (38th)
2017 79.32 (2nd)
2018 74.84 (31st)
Holtz won a national championship against a schedule harder than any Kelly has faced in nine years.
Based on Howell's historical rankings, all of the following ND coaches had at least one non-perfect season that was better than 2012 and 2018: Harper, Rockne, Leahy, Ara, Devine, Holtz.
.920 1917 (6-1-1)
.910 1926 (9-1)
.963 1943 (9-1) National Championship
.929 1946 (8-0-1) National Championship
.952 1966 (9-0-1) National Championship
.913 1970 (10-1)
.934 1977 (11-1) National Championship
.939 1989 (12-1)
.898 2012 (12-1)
.879 2018 (12-1)
winning 5...
Gone are the days of the Cheerios Bowl where we could be ranked #18 and get in because we accepted an invitation before the season went to hell. We basically have to finish 10-2 or better.
NR, 17, 1, 2, 6, 13, 4, 2, NR, 11, 19
kelly has finished:
NR, NR, 4, 20, NR, 11, NR, 11, 5
#4 and # 20 seasons were wiped by the NCAA.
NR, NR, Vacated, Vacated, NR, 11, NR, 11, 5
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/notre-dame/index.html
off field national embarrassing behavior...
Do you want to pretend that none of kelly's baggage exists? He was never a "home run hire". He's saucy's piss boy. saucy is his rabbi. swarbrick's apparel deal versus Texas' is all you need to know about how out of his league he is... zero AD experience and he lands the ND job.
brian kelly is a program builder... total bs.
Name a coach who isn't and just what the heck has kelly built? GVSU nope, cmu nope... yay a winning season, Cincinnati well Dantonio set him up pretty well there...
Take a quick look and compare Mark Dantonio's msu record with kelly's ND tenure. What would Dantonio have done if he stayed at Cincinnati? What would Dantonio have done at ND? I am guessing that he'd outperform our resident dunce in a heartbeat. To my knowledge he hasn't been given an embarrassment of riches at msu...nor has he had near the kelly talent load...nor has he regularly embarrassed his school. I don't consider Dantonio to be an earth shaking hire. He's a solid guy that knows how to coach football.
kelly should have been jettisoned long ago.
Ditto swarbrick and jenkins...
Or faded.
Outside of Saban, Meyer and Stoops (I had Ferentz up there too) there’s almost no one left.
Am I missing someone?
At numerous junctures.
BoardOps please do some justice.
You've gotta be shitting me with the "BK has had a better run than Holtz" stuff. Even if their records were similar (they're not), the schedules Lou Holtz faced every year would have forced BK out of town 5+ years ago (he'd either have been fired or have jumped to an easier job).
Lou has a National Championship and a better winning percentage. Plus never went 4-8, even in his first rebuilding year.
Not sure also what you mean “inexplicable.” The decline in latter years was very explainable. A crack down on recruiting risks/exceptions and the departure of Vinny Cerrato as recruiting coordinator.
That job is just waiting for somebody who knows what to do with all the talent that just seems to show up without much work on their part.
LSU also just loaded with talent, but coaching has been lacking.
Alabama has it all Coaching and Talent.
which is a limitation (as we discovered in the Weis ere). USC's is disproportionately at the skill positions which dilutes the overall impact of their accumulated talent.
It'll be like the Pete Carroll era on steroids. Probably 2-3 titles, and then a spectacular burn out.
Still, if/when he gets hired, it'll be the end of undefeated regular seasons at ND for a bit.
for a game against an Urban led USC team would rival the SEC for personal vitriol toward an opponent.
If we do things right, the Urban era at USC should be a positive for ND too.
100-130 range. This year there are 3 of them. Recruiting should influence the general area where you finish record wise (although the difference between an SEC bottom feeder and a sunbelt team with a +.500 record is large) If you breakdown the teams, this year's falls:
Top 25 - 4 Teams
26-50 - 3
51-75 - 2
76-100 -0
101-130 - 3
The top 4 are fine. Even having 3 in the 25-50 isn't terrible. The types of "buy games" ND should be playing should all fall in that 50-75 and no less. An acceptable schedule would probably look like 4,4,3,0,1 (Navy). It's kind of like the tier method of scheduling.
Over the past several years, our schedule usually shows we play 9 Power 5 teams, because we have Navy every year and then a couple buy-wins.
His proposal, if taken up by everyone, would go a long way to solving the problem you raise.
I don't believe Alabama has scheduled 10 P5 schools in the regular season since 2010, and they are not scheduled to in the foreseeable future either.
But the 10th is in the SEC title game.
But I agree. Though if they played 10 more frequently, maybe they wouldn't get to the SEC title game as much either.
Although the way that machine is rolling, they probably would anyway.