Recruiting, 6/26 and after, last two years
by MrE (2020-06-26 19:18:59)

In the last couple of years, the recruiting calendar seems to have shifted up for recruits to commit to their school of choice, possibly a result of the recently-implemented early signing day in December.

ND has not fared well in the last two recruiting cycles from today's date forward. Here's a list of the national rankings of the recruits that committed June 26 and after in the 2019 and 2020 ND classes:

#208, CB
#211, DE
#366, LB
#386, WR
#464, LB
#513, CB
#521, QB
#530, Athlete
#613, CB
#644, WR
#777, WR

Is it possible Swarbrick is slow-playing Kelly's extension as he waits to see if Kelly and staff's shitless recruiting will continue to move ND further away from competing for a national title?



Kelly 2.0 is going to leave the cupboard bare for
by akaRonMexico  (2020-06-27 15:52:49)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Kelly 3.0. Not that Kelly 3.0 will make any excuses...


Kelly 2.0 will leave the cupboard bare for Rees 1.0 *
by golfjunkie17  (2020-06-28 11:32:33)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


I guess that 'Top 5 class' Kelly promised is all bluster
by Hanratty5ND  (2020-06-27 13:50:10)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I almost don't give a shit anymore.

It's obvious Kelly doesn't. If he gave two shits, he wouldn't have a class that will likely finish outside the top 15. I'm betting it won't even make top 20.

That is what he gets for hiring shit assistants that can't recruit and cover for his own recruiting shortcomings. He always takes the path of least resistance when hiring.

The only thing I really look forward to when it comes to ND football is the day both Swarbrick and Kelly are no longer there. Fuck them both.


You aren't alone. No solace there but true anyway *
by johneye  (2020-06-28 11:37:02)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


It was never going to be a top class.
by MrE  (2020-06-27 18:43:55)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

But then again, how could it have been?

Historical data suggests Kelly was not going to deliver a top class.

There’s simply no momentum in the program. Not a single game-changer event that would create that momentum - a new head coach, an inspired coordinator or stud position coach/recruiter hire, a signature win that shows ND is among the elite, a Heisman trophy finalist, nothing.

The market is not buying the "33-6" mantra that ND and it's PR outlets are shouting from the mountaintops.



Nice, succinct post.
by SWPaDem  (2020-06-28 12:02:56)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

A once proud football program now about nothing much in the greatness and excitement categories.


They are the two co-morbidities killing ND football.... *
by Wolfetone  (2020-06-27 17:48:57)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


recruiting is going to be strange this year
by jt  (2020-06-26 22:21:22)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

as there were not the normal summer camps, team camps, etc. that schools and sites were able to hold. Many of these camps led to major and mid major conference offers and increased the star ratings of a lot of prospects.

Now, a place like ND should have been involved in recruiting prospects at their level for quite some time, and perhaps not a ton of kids would earn a late offer to ND (whom I assume is probably close to full by this point).

As to your last question about Jack holding off on announcing Kelly's extension, I really doubt it. I don't think that he really gives a fuck about football recruiting, to be honest. If stuff goes bad, he'll just make some excuse and trot out Jack Nolan or one of the usual suspects from the homer recruiting sites to do an "interview" (if he's even around any longer).


The dead period has been extended to August 31, IIRC. *
by G.K.Chesterton  (2020-06-27 22:10:11)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Ours has been in effect for quite some time in perpetuity. *
by VaDblDmr  (2020-06-30 07:22:30)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


yes, but for some reason D2 schools are doing camps
by jt  (2020-06-27 23:59:48)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

not sure what is going on there.


Kelly seems like he's been checked out for awhile
by irishrock  (2020-06-27 17:55:52)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

on recruiting...although he gave a great bit of lip service about how ND can recruit at an elite "top 5 level"...that'll buy him three more years at least


ND has added 1 offensive commit in the last 8.5 months
by MrE  (2020-06-27 10:49:51)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

a 3-star OL. And lost their stud WR commit (#66 overall).

So they've actually gone BACKWARD in recruiting on the offensive side of the ball since October. That's virtually impossible to do.

The problem is that ND was never a serious leader for any of the top recruits in the country when Covid hit in March. None of the top TEs, WRs, OL were likely to land at ND. Not Will Shipley, the only RB prospect Lance Taylor bothered to recruit.

Same on the defensive side. Elston landed two lower-rated DEs and then rushed to offer a stud DE (Dallas Turner) only after one of committed DEs was likely to decommit. Fat and happy on 2 projects. No effort to sign a second DT.

LB, CB, S - ND was not a serious leader or even contender for any of the top prospects.





Kelly occupies the "coldest seat in America" *
by irishrock  (2020-06-26 20:57:34)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Hope is a dangerous thing *
by GolfJunkie17  (2020-06-26 20:31:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Hasn't he seen enough? BK is incapable,simple as that.... *
by Wolfetone  (2020-06-26 19:43:12)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post