Looks like Correll at center and Patterson will play guard
by Jvan (2022-05-10 10:19:06)

Part of the plan to get the best five on the field. Correll is still under 300 pounds but he’s stronger now. Last season he didn’t hold up at guard but center has different demands. Patterson and Spindler are bigger guys who represent an upgrade from Lugg and Kristofic.

Correll’s move also indicates that Patterson will be ready to start the season. Good news.


Get your best OL at center
by Wass  (2022-05-15 21:46:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Well, not exactly. When dad was still coaching, that is what he did - get the five best OL on the field. He would take his best OL and put him at center and find the best spot for the other four. He wasn't as concerned with weight. He wanted his linemen to move their feet and be quick off the ball. Too often, we are concerned with a line where everyone is around 300 lbs. That's fine, but they have to He able to move. If a guy is 270 but can move his feet while blocking, I am good with that.


Regarding the OLine
by naptown  (2022-05-11 08:48:52)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Do you think Alt and Fisher will eventually switch ends, or do you think they will stay in these spots?


I have read that the coaches think Fisher is a better run
by 84david  (2022-05-11 09:32:56)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

blocker, and ND tends to run right, so they will probably keep him there.


Why move a top center in NCAA?
by Btd  (2022-05-11 00:04:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Unless Correll is even better than Patterson, it strikes me as taking away a lock at center and moving him to guard where he will be ok, but not as good as he was at center. You go from A at center to B+ and then your A center is a B or B+ guard.

To me, leave Patterson alone. Get the best 2 of kristoff, Rocco, and Lugg onto the field at guard. Correll then is a backup.

Patterson is listed by some as the top returning center in NCAA. Now if 2 of those other 3 are at best B- guards, then maybe the average is higher with this move. I think they stand a good chance of being B or higher.


it depends on the types of fronts you play
by jt  (2022-05-11 01:59:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

if you play against a lot of 4 man/over fronts, it's better to have your best players in the interior at guard. If you play against a lot of 3 man fronts with the center covered by a nose guard, it's better to have the stout center who can block that nose.


Don’t you need a center that does both well? Same for guard
by Btd  (2022-05-12 20:38:13)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

My theory is you are right - but then teams that have the ability do it will put a large NG on Zeke and drive him straight back off the ball a lot. This is similar to what happened to the Steelers last year with green at center. Except in the NFL they all can find a way to do it v in college only the elite teams can play either way if they see a hole to exploit.

Zeke might be able to handle whatever is thrown at him. We
Know Patterson can was my basic theory.

It remains true that if Rocco isn’t really ready to play at a high level that perhaps Patterson and Zeke plus Lugg/Kristoff are better than Patterson/Lugg/Kristoff. My sense is Rocco will get there and overall Zeke is the weakest link of the group at this instant - and that’s more because Patterson is a better center and we know the others already proved they are better guards than zeke.


teams are usually either even (4 man) or odd (3 man)
by jt  (2022-05-12 22:08:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

fronts. Sure, you can move a guy over to nose to play a 0 technique on the center, but then you have to change the LB responsibilities, etc. It's not as simple as just "hey, line up here."

Sure, some teams (like ND) can jump in and out of fronts, but that's the exception.


True - but across 12 games we have both
by Btd  (2022-05-12 23:45:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

So do you need to be equally good against both? Even if only a Bama type team perhaps can be both to some extent - and for a bowl even more
So if they think we are weaker for one v other.

In any event - i guess I’m rooted in Holtz saying never move a star from
One spot to fill a different hole. You take one great and one weak spot and often create two weaker spots. But - OL does seem to be far more common for a player to shift spots across years. Bama had a center in 2012 that I think was AA at
More than one spot over his final two years, for example. We’ve also had LT that started at RT earlier, etc.


I don't think it is a 6/6 split
by jt  (2022-05-13 11:19:20)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

but maybe it is.

I don't know enough about the players to comment one way or the other. This is one of those areas where I trust the OL coach, at least until I see some game evidence one way or the other.


Just curious, where did this news come from?
by bill_brasky  (2022-05-10 21:59:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post



My magic eight ball
by Jvan  (2022-05-11 00:21:38)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

FFS, just trust me on this.

Or don't. I don't give a shit.


Weird response.
by bill_brasky  (2022-05-11 07:03:49)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I just didn't know if I missed Freeman or someone else talking about this. You announced it like breaking news and not an inside scoop.


It was discussed on Irish Illustrated pod on Monday *
by Marylanddomer  (2022-05-11 11:49:12)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Also discussed last month on Irish Sports Daily
by Jvan  (2022-05-11 13:01:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Mike Frank is typically ahead of the curve.


Rick Reilly admits that Mike Frank had it first. *
by EMK64  (2022-05-11 15:42:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


True that. Thanks. *
by bill_brasky  (2022-05-11 14:37:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


As are you (ahead of the curve) - good work! *
by Pat85  (2022-05-11 14:15:06)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Better late than never
by ram  (2022-05-10 20:49:11)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I thought Correll played well at center 2 years ago


I don't understand the Patterson reference.
by NDMike2001  (2022-05-10 10:57:50)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I'm not saying that he won't be ready to start the season. However, I don't see the move(s) as being indicative of Patterson being ready. To me it would seem to indicate the opposite if anything. Hiestand wants a guy that he knows will anchor the line and he'll have Patterson to plug into guard when he's ready.

All that being said, I do think that it does reflect ultimately getting the best 5 onto the field.


Patterson will need practice time at guard
by Jvan  (2022-05-10 11:48:34)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

He'll get it in August. If he weren't ready to play until September or later, it would not be fair to plug him in at guard with only a couple days of practice. The line also needs to function well as a unit, which takes time to optimize.


Just to be clear, Spindler should be a starting guard then?
by mocopdx  (2022-05-10 10:30:05)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

So left to right would be Alt, Spindler, Correll, Patterson, Fisher?

Two guys who are almost surefire 1st rounders, another two with a decent shot to be first rounders, and a third who should be drafted... time for Hiestand/Rees to put up or shut up with that kind of talent.


Spindler is seen as bigger and stronger than Lugg or
by 84david  (2022-05-11 08:23:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Kristofic but still has footwork issues. If those can be worked out, he and Patterson will make up a formidable interior line.


"Rocco Spindler" ...
by DrunkenIrishPoet  (2022-05-10 13:57:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

A perfect name for an O Lineman.

Almost as good as "Michael Stonebreaker" for a linebacker.


Sounds like a porn name.
by PWK2  (2022-05-11 14:53:45)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Spindler? I hardly know her.


Right up there with Moose
by Moff  (2022-05-10 20:30:20)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post



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by irishrock  (2022-05-10 23:52:53)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

our common friend's mom passed away last Thursday...funeral is set for Thursday. I believe you mentioned that one time at the Cotton Bowl, Coach Holtz stopped practice as he saw someone taping the practice from the stands. And it was his mom doing the taping.

I thought you'd want to know...she was an absolute gem of a lady.


Thanks and so sorry to hear that.
by Moff  (2022-05-11 07:15:26)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

She did a great job as a mom, that was evident. Yes, Lou dispatched me to stop that unknown person high up in the stands from filming practice at SMU’s on campus Stadium. When I got up there she told me who she was. Lou was watching and I yelled it back down to the field. He instantly laughed and just yelled back hello to her and practice went on. She took it in stride and kept on filming and it was a funny moment. May she rest in peace.


Rock O’Spindler *
by Homeboy73  (2022-05-10 17:29:14)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Do Not Fold, Spindle or Mutilate (until game time) *
by notra_dahm  (2022-05-10 16:21:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


If I had to pick one, I think I'd go with spindle. *
by SWPaDem  (2022-05-11 09:46:38)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Hear, Hear! *
by Stonebreaker42  (2022-05-10 15:12:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


I believe he will be by August
by Jvan  (2022-05-10 11:36:12)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Spindler has his share of doubters and detractors but I'm not one of them. Lugg is fine as a multi-positional backup but does not hold up well physically as a starter.


I think you're right
by Goldhelmethead  (2022-05-10 19:49:30)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

However I wasn't aware he had his share of doubters. He just needs to play. The more time he gets with Alt, Fisher, and especially a year with Patterson the better.


I think Lugg would still be the starter.
by revressbo  (2022-05-10 11:16:10)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The spring starting lineup (with Patterson’s injury) I think was Alt, Kristofic, Correll, Lugg, Fisher. This move I believe would make the lineup Alt, Patterson, Correll, Lugg, Fisher.

Spindler was the third guard this spring. It’s possible he passed Kristofic, but I doubt he passed both Lugg and Kristofic. He has the most potential but is not one of the best five yet.