One of Jack's statements sounds like the choice is
by ryND (2022-05-12 13:46:56)
Edited on 2022-05-12 13:52:18

In reply to: the writing has been on the wall for a few years  posted by jt


going to be the Big Ten or SEC model.

"Swarbrick spoke today and reiterated that concern: "We're getting to a two solar system model here. You have two suns with all the gravitational pull -- the Big Ten and the SEC. People are going to have to figure out how to align with one or the other.”

Is he implying we will join the Big Ten or SEC? Or just align with them. I know it says align in the tweet, just don't believe that is what Jack meant. I believe he is laying the groundwork for full membership.


The 2 solar system model....
by mkovac  (2022-05-12 16:38:55)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I have some questions:

1. In each solar system, who will be Pluto?

2. Which solar system will have the bigger sun?

3. I like our Solar System the way it is. Will one of these solar systems remain ours? If so, who will be the sun of the new one? Alabama? And ours, will our Sun now be the NCAA and will it burn out in a few seasons?

4. What will ND do? Will we orbit the Sun in our present orbit - in the Goldilocks Zone, or will we be forced outward, toward Mars and live in perpetual winter with a thin atmosphere, with no oceans that we can swim in or lay on the beach and watch attractive women in bikinis?

These are important questions. I gotsta know!


There's a big black hole in the middle of the milky way *
by notra_dahm  (2022-05-13 09:54:59)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


...at the bottom of the sea?
by El Kabong  (2022-05-14 07:30:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

We used to sing that song at camp.


I don't know about solar systems, but I'd like to send Jack
by SWPaDem  (2022-05-13 07:33:10)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

to the moon. One of these days.


Also
by SixShutouts66  (2022-05-12 17:24:22)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Which solar system gets stuck with the Uranus Wolverines

Who gets the naming rights to "Sun"

Will we still get to keep our moon or will it wander away


of course. You think that ND would pass up the money?
by jt  (2022-05-12 14:12:43)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

every indication over the past few decades is a resounding "NO" to that question.


What's the alternative? Make FB a club sport?
by GoldCoastIrish  (2022-05-13 14:19:10)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Go down to FCS?

We've been following the money since Rockne was the head coach. Either lead, follow, or get out of the way.


right. /Shrugs shoulders
by jt  (2022-05-13 14:57:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

ND alumni want competitive football.

/continues to monitor the landscape


So pay the money.
by GoldCoastIrish  (2022-05-17 09:07:59)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

This isn't hard.


I don't think BIG10 and SEC differ
by StetsonDan  (2022-05-12 14:04:10)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Despite the Big 10's insistence on appearing like they care about academics, I assume the Big 10 and SEC have the same financial interests.

Without knowing more, I'd assume Ohio St, Nebraska, and Penn St would sign onto whatever the SEC wants. I could see Wisconsin and Michigan potentially resisting, but I assume money talks so they'll change.


I think Nebraska and PSU could be persuaded to come to the
by ACross  (2022-05-12 19:37:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Non generate side. With Wisconsin and what’re other Big 10 schools would like to come along.

Ditto USC<, Texas, Miami, UCLA, and a critical mass of other schools who don’t want to throw in with the SEC charade.


USC is a complete degenerate. Witness their NIL actions.
by Freight Train  (2022-05-12 19:48:11)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

They will throw in with whatever makes them the most money. They are every bit the money whore that OSU is.


I find it humorous to read people calling other schools
by jt  (2022-05-12 22:04:12)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

a "money whore."

I'm not sure there is a more dishonest and disingenuous athletic department head in the country than Jack swarbrick, and under his leadership ND is definitely a money whore.


He is leaving money on the table by insisting on at least
by tf86  (2022-05-13 10:59:42)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Nominal independence. Then again, that's the one that would probably be the straw that broke the camel's back, if he gave up on it.


right, he's leaving money on the table
by jt  (2022-05-13 11:18:06)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

he's positioning for a bigger payday down the line, don't kid yourself.


Under Edmund Joyce and Moose we were money whores.
by ODSCHOOL  (2022-05-13 08:01:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Noting k=new to see here.


Winning is their goal - at all costs
by acrossdmiddle  (2022-05-12 21:21:17)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Of course, usually the money follows so it’s hard to separate the two.


The competing reality is they have become a bona fide
by ACross  (2022-05-12 21:32:19)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Top academic school. And they would be a better fit with ND, Stanford, Wisconsin, PSU, maybe Texas, Miami, Nebraska, etc.

The time is now for ND to lend its weight and standing to that effort. Not 6 months from now. Articulate a mission, a justification, a competing and preferable and marketable option.

Or ND Stadium will meet the same fate as Port Plaza mall. Lost in Younkers.


You are insane with some of these choices
by Freight Train  (2022-05-12 21:41:22)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

USC? Texas? The Texas that just jumped to the SEC for the money? Miami? Yes, a veritable paragon of virtue. Nebraska? That’s a shit school. Penn State? The school that covered up a child molester for decades?

These schools are not our friend. They do not share any of our values.


USC is ranked right there with ND and arguably is harder to
by Btd  (2022-05-13 09:44:01)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Get into than ND for some of their programs. Also, I was absolutely stunned when taking my 3 kids on college tours. There is one and only one other college that is run almost exactly like ND… USC. The freshman year of studies concepts, dorm life, etc. the campus is also fairly compact and self contained v spread randomly around the city like many of its peer city based colleges. In 2017 they had guaranteed dorms through junior year and were actively building more dorms to increase that to a senior guarantee too.

Along similar lines for state schools - I couldn’t believe where florida is ranked now. My daughter is a rising sophomore there. It was her fallback to ND. They are top 5 public schools now - but are ranked 26th overall for 2021. ND was 19th for example.

ND remains unique with single sex dorms and the dorms being a mix of all 4 classes v single class per dorm in large part. ND is still the better true full college experience because of campus life. But… ND no longer has a wide academic margin on a lot of state schools we used to look down on 20-30 years ago.


Of course
by tf86  (2022-05-13 11:04:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

1. USC isn't a state school.
2. The dorm guarantee at USC may have arisen, at least in part, due to the fact that the adjacent part of Los Angeles to the USC campus isn't exactly the safest place in the world.


I know USC isn’t a state school
by Btd  (2022-05-13 15:14:05)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

This thread is about both USC and state schools (texas and a list of others). My post is that USC academically is nearly a clone of ND and the way they run the university as a whole was shockingly similar to ND - down to the dorm life aspect too.

They have always owned a lot of the land around the school and/or influenced it heavily for student living in apartments. Their push for expanded dorms goes beyond safety. It’s part of a recognition of what campus life for more than just your freshman year brings to the table.

My cousin went to ND (1983 grad - I’m 89). He is a graduate of ND, harvard and Stanford. 2 of his kids went to ND, one to Carnegie Mellon and the other to USC graduating 2018. He will say the same thing about how shocked he was how similar USC is to ND. He will also tell you he made his wife write the checks for payments to USC - he couldn’t bring himself to do it.


USC and Texas are top academic schools. *
by ODSCHOOL  (2022-05-13 08:25:09)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Correct - and let’s not look down our noses at state schools
by acrossdmiddle  (2022-05-13 09:11:55)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Except Penn State. Now that’s a shit school - but for reasons independent of their academic standards.


Their academic standards aren't bad
by tf86  (2022-05-13 11:08:23)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I'm not saying it's an Ivy League-caliber school academically, but in the greater scheme of things, it's certainly not a bad school academically. I did a check on US News rankings recently, and if memory serves, Penn State was about smack dab in the middle of the Big Ten. If the sole issue were academics, I'd be okay with my kid attending Penn State. Of course, it's not, so I'm not.


Correct. The B1G talks a good game but they'll follow the $
by gordonbombay  (2022-05-12 16:09:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The question isn't whether the B1G will play along with the SEC and do whatever Super League type thing ends up happening - they will. The question is will everyone else follow. My guess is most of them will. Including us.


So will ND with Swarbrick in charge *
by acrossdmiddle  (2022-05-12 17:38:47)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Probably
by gordonbombay  (2022-05-12 21:56:34)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I'm not sure how, after Crossroads and JumboTrons and everything else they've done to very much push their chips in on football, they could justify what amounts to a drop to the 2nd tier of big time football.


Agreed - unless they actually do as Andy suggests
by acrossdmiddle  (2022-05-13 09:13:32)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It’s worth a try and if we fail then we could still join the semi-pros.