Caleb Williams didn't beat us.
by Freight Train (2022-11-28 16:23:40)
Edited on 2022-11-28 16:26:56

In reply to: I don't think anyone is blaming Pyne  posted by gordonbombay


They controlled both lines of scrimmage and outrushed us 200-90 or whatever. They controlled the clock. They beat us at our game.


Absolutely accurate - line play lost the game
by buckroe  (2022-11-28 18:27:53)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The only questions is whether Williams would have still been the difference if ND had stopped the run and ran the ball reasonably effectively itself.


He wasn't the only reason, but he was the biggest one.
by DawsonMayes871  (2022-11-28 17:59:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

If you put Slovis or Dart under center instead of him, Southern Cal does not win. And they're not 10-1 entering the game.


Caleb Williams was the difference in that game
by pmcdnd96  (2022-11-28 17:05:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Every time they needed a play, he made it.

Play number 1: With 2:18 to go in the second quarter, USC faced a second and 8. Williams dropped back to pass, was flushed from the pocket, danced around, ran to his right, and threw the ball about 40 yards for a 23 yard completion to the 25. Had he not made that play, USC would have been facing 3rd and long around midfield, 3rd and REALLY long had he been sacked. Instead, they moved on to score a TD (after another scramble play that he kept alive long enough to get a holding call.)

Play number 2: With a 10 point lead and the ball on the ND 16, USC faces 4th and 2. One of Notre Dame's slow linebackers comes too far upfield (or too slowly upfield...either way, I doubt the plan was for him to jog himself out of position) and Williams sprints in for the final nail in our coffin. Had he thrown an incomplete pass or otherwise not made the first down and the rest of the game played out as it did, USC would have been looking at a 3 point win.

That's just two plays, but if those two plays go our way, we might have been looking at a different result. The fact that we realize how silly that hypothetical is shows just how big of a difference Williams was - of course he made those plays and of course he would have made more.


WE SHOULD HAVE DEFENDED THAT BETTER
by airborneirish  (2022-11-28 22:32:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

STOP SLAMMING REEEEZE


Furthering on this
by carroll2005  (2022-11-28 19:20:51)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It was his ability as a QB that opened things up for the USC running backs late in the game. If ND didn't have to spy and do so many things trying to account for Williams they would have played the run very differently.


Furthering on this
by carroll2005  (2022-11-28 19:20:51)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It was his ability as a QB that opened things up for the USC running backs late in the game. If ND didn't have to spy and do so many things trying to account for Williams they would have played the run very differently.


How many key 3rd and longs did CW bail them out of?
by irishaddict  (2022-11-28 16:26:49)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Zero chance their running game would have had the same efffectiveness with a different QB.