In reply to: Interesting letter from QN's dad posted by El Kabong
For a "turnaround" that was possible only because he did such a horrific job the previous year? Yippee!
I don't think Brian Kelly is literally Satan. I don't even think he's figuratively Satan. I think he's a terrible representative of the University and a mediocre coach. He's not the right person for this job.
And I don't really care, to be perfectly honest, how humble and kind he was when he was trying to convince the best player on the team to return for another year. I care more about what he said about Sam Mustipher and DeShone Kizer, in public, to deflect blame than I do about what he said to Quenton Nelson, in private, to get him to stay.
I'm not sure I'd feel differently about a scathing letter from a player's parents. It's nice to see that Mr. Nelson felt good about the season and is happy with the coaching his son received this year. I wouldn't enjoy reading that other parents feel otherwise. But I don't need a player's parents to tell me whether Notre Dame should--or could--get a better coach. I don't think they have uniquely valuable insight there. Brian Kelly isn't the best we can do. Mr. Nelson won't convince me otherwise.
But I tell you what: I'll give Brian Kelly credit for the turnaround the moment he takes blame for the academic misconduct that resulted in vacated victories and probation. Right now, we are both on "Zero. None. Absolutely none."
tired and humbled head coach who began our discussion by taking full responsibility for the horrific season that was. He took his time listing all of the mistakes and faults he felt he personally had made, and in great detail,..."
Oh, poopsie was tired. Maybe the 4 AM yoga headstands on his lululemon mat finally got to him.
The under-performing HC had the second worst record in 50 years.
That season was prefaced by demonstrable pre-season bluster. '16 bought us the time to do it right and all other bs... Then kelly hammered players throughout the year and pulled other nonsense. Then he dreamed up a "fund raising" ruse excuse. The guy is so far over his skis...
Big f'ing deal that he showed some humility. What was he going to do brag about it? He said what he had to say to keep Nelson in the fold.
Changes were forced on kelly and if he had his way bvg would still be here. Fortunately, for Nelson and the other O linemen, Heistand stayed for the season.
Your acceptance of 10-3 is devoid of any sense of what was lost.
We were in the NC hunt at # 3 and then got murdered by miami and outsmarted once again by an undermanned Stanford squad.
Long, Lea, and polian are in charge of the three major coaching phases.
polian stinks as a coach. The other 2 are wild cards and kelly is an average to below average HC coach at best.
Long had 1 year as OC at Memphis. Lea has zero DC experience.
I described the going for 2 NW situation to a pro football player yesterday.
"He's an idiot." All the schmaltzy prose doesn't change that...
Trying to make kelly a sympathetic figure after all the on and off field cr** from him and under his watch is a loser's hand.
The NC was there for the taking this year and unfortunately dopey held form.
I get it. You don't like Kelly, and there is nothing he can do to win your favor.
1) He had a horrible 4-8 season. With that said, I think he deserves some credit for changing his stripes and looking for anything he could to do a better job (including eschewing some of the speaking engagements and fund raising efforts). And I think that Nelson would have picked up on it if the coach didn't sound sincere in his humility.
2) I agree, we lost a HUGE opportunity to compete for a national championship this year. The Miami game was a shit show, but it was something that I've seen a lot in college football. Sometimes a good team has a bad game at the worst possible time... against another good team at their very best. Miami never played a better game this year... not even close. We rode our very one dimensional offense as far as it could take us this year. Miami basically pinned their ears back and attacked both options of the read option run with little regard for the passing game. Wimbush never found his accuracy this season, and by the end, our opponents knew they could play straight man and focus on stopping Adams.
3) How did Stanford outsmart us? We turned the ball over 2 times in the span of a minute and they scored three touchdowns in the span of 3 minutes. It was 20-17 at that point. Hats off to Stanford for making big plays when they needed it. I didn't see this as a huge coaching failure. Those mistakes are hard to overcome.
Anyways, I'm ambivalent about Kelly. I think he had a nice season and most of my disappointment stems from the high hopes that I had when we sat there at 8-1 with 8 dominant wins and a 1-point loss to an excellent Georgia team... The end of the season sucked, but there was also a lot to like about this year. As far as the NC being there for the taking... I think that it was if Kizer had stayed.
crap then good for you.
Yep, Stanford had nothing to do with those turnovers. They were gifted to them. Got it. They are physically and intellectually superior to us in football.... this year and have been for some time.
Factoid: miami was not a football game. We never showed up. Does that sound familiar? Oh, but our jackass was once again making the rounds on ESPN and every other sports talk show that would have him leading up to the game. He never misses an opportunity to self promote. Then he completely flamed out again in embarrassing fashion.
If you enjoy his introspection I'd like to draw your attention to McGlinchey's meeting with him. This young man, there have been others, read kelly the riot act on our coaching prior to the purple one taking any action at all. Our coaching situation was toxic. kelly created that and let it fester. Change was then forced upon him...including his behavior...
kelly's "bless me father for I have sinned" routine to keep Nelson on the squad worked.
Our team and school deserve better than what both he and swarbrick have brought to this program.
Tell me more about his fund raising activity. Where was he? How many events did he do? That appears to be another pile of b.s.
kelly sounds like cfb's jimmy swaggart.
You are wrong about kelly "not being able to do anything to win my favor".
He can leave...that'd be a great start.
He's certainly no Jimmy Swaggart when it comes to fundraising. Then again, not many people are.
Btw, I had thought Jimmy Swaggart was dead (because I hadn't heard of him in a long, long time) until I found out that my wife's friend's husband STILL watches him.
Interesting guy....
That facility was built by deceased preacher Robert Schuller. According to the bishop it is the largest diocesan center in the world...33 acres ... one of the buildings was used for the latest Star Wars movie... command center?? Anyway, the place is beautiful. The organ is undergoing a 4 million + restoration in Italy.
He told me it was the 4th biggest organ in the world. (Talk about a lay up).
I was so close to refuting his contention in legendary fashion and the thought of confession almost sold me. "You said what to the Bishop?" Could have been fun...
Also, most here feel that he is a mediocre coach that our shitty athletic director refuses to fire, despite ample cause. So if that is what Satan is and this is what Hell is like, I plan to go forth and sin no more.
secret destroyers hold you up to the flames
thank you sir
I don't discount anything said in the letter about the reasons for the improvement from 2016 to 2017. I don't think many on here do either. I assume all of that to be true. The point is, what does that get us? It's year 8, Kelly just wasted a historically dominant offensive line and had a good but not great season. Kelly is still the guy who commanded the most underachieving season in Notre Dame history. And realizing the sins of his ways improved the program to simply an underachieving season.
How does anything that he said point toward continued improvement in the future? In the end, even in one of Kelly's best seasons, the team was ill-prepared against the stiffest competition. Yay, we're back to being just run of the mill underachievers. Nelson quickly glossed over our colossal failures under the brightest lights. But that's the most important part of the season with respect to predicting future performance under Kelly.
He also erected straw men to support his argument in support of Kelly's future. I don't care about insight to the program. The insinuation that the only improvements that ND can get from Kelly are Saban and Meyer is just plain dumb. It takes no special insight to the program to appropriately rank Kelly's performance and reputation in the industry against his peers. And I can guarantee you that I've spent more time than Nelson has looking at the historical performance of college coaches. For all the things I assume he's right about concerning Kelly's approach to this season, he's just dead ass wrong about where Kelly stacks up against his peers.
definitely has more insight into the program than anyone on this Board.