the OL coach isn't the issue, IMO
by jt (2018-01-11 13:23:25)

In reply to: Would be a good hire, in my opinion.  posted by PeteatND


the soft/slow developing/fake pass/works at small schools running scheme is the problem.

We need to do more quick hitting, straight ahead running plays. Inside zone, trap, power, power G, etc. All of those plays are in the playbook and suit the talent that we normally have at ND. The whole slow developing crap needs to go.


Commentators said the same thing about Bama's rushing o
by airborneirish  (2018-01-12 14:20:57)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

in the first half. In the second half the adjusted and harris did exactly what you're saying. I don't get the refusal of coaches to play to their strengths. To Saban's credit he snapped out of it and won the game.


They also switched QBs and started chucking the ball
by Irishaddict  (2018-01-12 19:20:51)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

To my eye Bama’s first half game plan looked a lot more like the rest of their season than the second half.


Everybody on the board should read your post
by Pmcdnd96  (2018-01-12 09:52:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

And if they are inclined to disagree, watch the early running plays in the bowl game where the left side of our offensive line is caving in the defensive line...only to have the safeties, linebackers, and even corners flow to stop the play because it developed so slowly.


Agreed, but he's also BC's run game coordinator.
by PeteatND  (2018-01-11 16:19:53)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It's plausible, if Shanty really is interested in leaving "no stone unturned", per Nelson's dad, that he might delegate some of the structure of the run game to a new OL coach.

Someone like Frye, who has designed a run game before, might have the best shot at convincing "Mr. Red Nose, Short Hose" to give it a shot.


Hiestand also held that title at least when hired.
by tdiddy07  (2018-01-11 17:32:47)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

They don't list that on his bio, though, so I don't know if that title was removed or not at any point with the various OC changes since that time.

Plus, how could we attract top assistants when they have onerous job responsibilities like not being a jerk and teaching their players not to be jerks.

From Hiestand as he departed:
“Father (John) Jenkins and Jack Swarbrick asked us to do more than simply coach football. They asked us to not only help our young men mature, but also prepare them for the trials of life. I loved that challenge."

Well, between Harry and Brian, that makes one of them.


"Mr. Red Nose, Short Hose"
by garbageplate  (2018-01-11 16:59:29)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Well done.


Ha, I've been trying to make that happen for a while.
by PeteatND  (2018-01-11 17:11:16)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Hopefully it'll catch on. Also, original credit goes to my brother, JHND.


JT - how important is QB under center to a power run game?
by Pat85  (2018-01-11 15:03:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I have no knowledge of football fundamentals or schemes other than watching thousands of hours of football and listening to analysts.

It appears to me that the kind of power run game you and Across talk about on this board requires at least some plays with the QB under center. Perhaps there are examples of shotgun offenses or plays that offer the same kind of quick hitting, straight ahead power running, but to my eyes, I preferred the plays ND has run with the QB under center (most in 2012, some in 2017), and the same for other college and pro offenses.

Watching the Georgia-Bama game, I felt that if they had committed to a much higher percentage of under center run calls on 1st and 2nd down, they would have established control of TOP, the line of scrimmage and the overall game by the 4th quarter (as I also felt in the ND Miami and Stanford games).


It’s not important. *
by BigNDfan  (2018-01-11 17:43:38)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Not during basketball season anyway. *
by tdiddy07  (2018-01-15 11:49:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


That's just stupid
by HTownND  (2018-01-12 10:16:13)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Even for you.

Is it 100% required? No.

But to say it's not important at all is galatically stupid.


Do you watch football? Did you watch the two teams that got to the title game?

They are capable of both running from the shotgun and from under center. The idea that the spread, no under center plays is the wave of the future is spurious at best. And yes, Clemson ran power plays, so it's not 100% required, but the idea that it isn't important just shows a complete and utter lack of basic understanding of football.


I think I've asked before, but did you actually play football growing up?


Cipher *
by ACross  (2018-01-12 00:32:20)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


you have time to answer this but not El K's question below? *
by jt  (2018-01-11 18:46:04)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


I would prefer it but it's not mandatory
by jt  (2018-01-11 15:15:48)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

you can run all of those plays from gun or pistol, especially inside zone. We ran most/all of those plays this year, along with some (I believe) wide zone where you pull lineman around like fold blockers.


About zero is you watch Alabama and/or Georgia to any
by KevinPS  (2018-01-11 15:12:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

real degree.


Now that ‘s some syntax *
by ACross  (2018-01-12 00:33:17)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Lets the RB rest between snap and taking the handoff.
by PWK2  (2018-01-11 13:28:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

They stay fresh through the fourth quarter this way.


QB under center
by skanman  (2018-01-11 16:54:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The pistol and shotgun favor the passing game. but I like the QB under center on short runs in the red zone.


A good offense
by HTownND  (2018-01-12 11:02:16)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Can and probably should have a mix.


If you go to the gun every time you throw, and under center, every time you run, that's telegraphing 101.

A good offense can and should do both. Pass from under center, run from the gun, etc. The formations, while important, aren't as essential as the design of the runs and passes themselves.


Here's the potential problem with that
by tf86  (2018-01-11 19:53:29)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The positioning of the QB immediately telegraphs whether it's a run play or a pass play. Unless you're going with a quick count (e.g., first sound), it's rather easy for the defense to make pre-snap adjustments.


Yes, that way they won't be so jumpy. *
by SWPaDem  (2018-01-11 13:32:45)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


as long as they can adequately pass protect *
by jt  (2018-01-11 13:29:40)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


I don't understand why that crap even works at
by TWO  (2018-01-11 13:26:47)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

small schools or even HS.


because differences in athletes are more striking
by jt  (2018-01-11 13:29:12)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

every level you move up is an all star team of the one you were just at.