they can take.

This is just another excuse but they aren’t held accountable so it doesn’t matter

I also might be willing to accept the "we can't recruit those elite players who go to Alabama because they're obviously all dumbasses who can't read" line if we either:
1.) Landed a disproportionate number of recruits from the 75 - 150 range because we were all over the kids who were smart enough to get in (we don't)
2.) Focused our efforts on finding a steady stream of players to become the next Luke Keuchly, Aaron Donald, or Patrick Mahomes 3-star sleeper who becomes a stud. (we don't, but in fairness, how could we have possibly known a late bloomer from a Catholic high school, a workaholic from Pittsburgh, or the son of a professional athlete might become a good player?)

Since signing Lynch and Tuitt in the 2011 class, Notre Dame has offered 101 defensive line recruits rated in the Top 100 and landed zero (2012-2021).

There seems to be a consensus on this board Kelly and his staff are under achieving recruiters.
Let’s be realistic Norte Dame in most given years can extend offers to about 19 % of eligible high school football players. 81% do not qualify.
100% of universities can recruit the 19% meeting the requirements for Norte Dame, leaving a small pool factoring in kids that want to play for the State school, or will follow a girlfriend or buddy to a college.
Of course some want to go to the perennial powers and the places the cash payments, cars, ghost jobs etc exist. Some of this is hard for an athlete to resist.
Many love the game and want a degree, but want a cupcake curriculum to be able to party hearty, not worried about the future. There are many cases of ex all Americans and ex NFL athletes toiling in construction jobs and un-glamorous occupations, because they chose the easy path. Some want only to play ball for 2 or 3 years and turn pro, never getting a degree, each year the powerhouses see a mass exodus of this type only to bring in more like them.
Norte Dame is a victim of their own requirements and commitment to being a quality university first and foremost focusing on giving those that choose to attend the best education the school has to offer, they can compromise that for the sake of winning sports, but that means compromising the values held dear.
It is not the coach, I have head the sales pitch given to recruits by the coaches it is impressive what is offered, but no where does it say it will be easy, if the athlete does not want to be challenged as much in the classroom as on the field, all the sales pitches in the world will not bring him to Norte Dame.

The promised land dreamed of by Guatemalan football players.

5* players. Despite his coaching deficiencies, Weis landed quite a few players at the top of their respective positions. Faust as well.

Of course, combinations of great coach and tireless recruiter at ND do very well with the top 100- and top 25 at that. (Lou take a bow).

We aren't in on top players because Kelly delegates recruiting to his coordinators, while the top coaches/recruiters are there side by side with their coordinators from the very beginning.

But I can understand why it might seem unattainable to you.

This has to be a fake. No one is that stupid. Ok, well.....

Literally you made that number up

"Friend, unity, togetherness and kindness?" I think not, but kudos for having a profile, or at least 19% of one.

The 19% number is a pure load of crap from a staff that continues to get pantsed on the recruiting trail.

starts at the offer.

That should be more than enough opportunities to attract someone to a purported top tier "brand"....

can recruit substantially more than 19%, and more than what Elston is claiming. That is unless, somehow, Stanford, Northwestern, Vandy, Wake, Duke, et al. have lower academic standards than we do for football recruiting.

But I only got so far before I stopped reading I suppose

He could tell the current staff how he did it.

But he worked hard which was the underlying reason he recruited well. The NFL cachet helped a bit, buoyed by the first two years of moderate success, but ultimately he just put in the hours.

Me thinks that 19% is bullshit.

Source data, duration of evaluation (no less than 5 years but probably equal to the coaches current tenure) etc.

I think you should show your work on the 19% thing too.

I suspect what he really means is that ND can only hope to get that amount of the top 100 to buy into what ND is selling. I'm sure they could get more than that into the school, but many top-100 kids just aren't interested in the 4-for-40 rhetoric and the extra work it takes to live up to that.

I want 4 for 10:

GO to school for for years, play 10 in the NFL, retire.

or

Go to school for 4 years, slay in the corporate world for 10, retire.

40 years is such a plebian drag...

Your concise summary is exactly what I took away from an article I read in the last few months.

When I was involved in ND recruiting 50 years ago we were able to recruit 35-45 top 100 football recruits. Basketball was able to recruit 5-10 top 100 recruits.

# of Top 100 DL commmits/# of total offers to top 100 DL.

But we need some of those big, 'greezy, nasty SEC DT's.

Maybe those guys fall into the percentage category of guys he cant get.

who signed with Alabama.

Offered by ND in June 2020, 7 months after Alabama offered.
3 months after Stanford offered.
6 months before signing day.

"One of the coaches (Director of Recruiting Aaryn Kearney) had been in touch with me since my freshman year,” said Turner. “He got in touch not too long ago again and he was touching base with me and asking about my grades. I showed him I had a 4.0 GPA. The defensive line coach (Mike Elston) texted me later on that day and then they gave me the offer."

Elston and Lea should be all over the eligibility of this recruit at the latest in the Fall of 2019. Northwestern offered before Stanford. Pure laziness.

Elston and Lea should be all over the eligibility of this recruit at the latest in the Fall of 2019. Northwestern offered before Stanford. Pure laziness.

Amazing how good these kids are.

"Mike Elston estimates Notre Dame could recruit less than half of the Top 100 recruits in the country based on profile for program."


Based on profile for program.

Nick Saban would turn that to 85% overnight without asking for a single concession academically.

Unreal. ND would be thrilled with 5 top 100 players.

We eliminated Quinn Ewers because he wasn't a system fit. He has the grades and we could easily have recruited him.

Reality - we had no chance, so we didn't even try (even though North Texas did) and we "couldn't" recruit him.