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One thing on which we all need to be crystal clear - El Kabong 2019-12-01 17:42:16
Summary: Swarbrick and USA Gymnastics - harmonica 2019-01-04 11:57:41
OWHF Contest Page (link) - El Kabong 2020-09-26 08:52:28

Intriguing players from reports - SEE 2023-03-25 18:20:49 [Tag Thread]

Where is college football headed? - IAND75 2023-03-25 17:22:12 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- Unrecognizable, maybe even in five years - novadamer 2023-03-25 21:34:30
- Compromise: NFL contracts players, uses NCAA as development - plaid_pants 2023-03-25 18:29:23

Swarbrick/Jenkins duplicitousness - Jafman 2023-03-24 02:32:38 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- ND is a brand with a football team. Be Irish * - NDFlyer 2023-03-25 11:03:49
- My thoughts exactly. * - Domer06 2023-03-24 21:39:39
- some in the media are starting to speculate - jt 2023-03-24 12:44:16
  - NFL owners seem about as likely to offer free admission to.. - Scoop80 2023-03-24 16:48:37
    - your last sentence is at the heart of the issue - jt 2023-03-24 17:06:03
- They want you to Be Irish, but too often they make you feel - SWPaDem 2023-03-24 07:52:07

Sean Payton is bringing Tony Jones Jr with him to Denver - mocopdx 2023-03-23 21:18:45 [Tag Thread]

OT: 12 Mighty Orphans . A very entertaining movie on - LAW83 2023-03-23 18:43:46 [Tag Thread]

Another admirable display of the NCAA's sound judgment - 105Marquette 2023-03-23 14:49:49 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- Not just one game...one PLAYOFF game. - ndgenius 2023-03-23 14:52:39

by the way, since we've been talking about health and safety - jt 2023-03-23 12:57:50 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- They did that in the previous iteration (2020) - DawsonMayes871 2023-03-24 10:52:41
  - yes, you would have to concede that there is no fake - jt 2023-03-24 11:09:04
- Why were extra points eliminated? To speed up the game? - Irish1978 2023-03-23 17:48:10
  - I think probably to add excitement. - cabnd00 2023-03-23 20:56:32
  - I'm not sure - jt 2023-03-23 17:49:55
- I like the KO and Onside kick rules a lot - TheRC 2023-03-23 17:22:00
- I thought the rule changes were interesting - ravenium 2023-03-23 15:50:37
- I watched a game, it was pretty interesting * - El Kabong 2023-03-23 14:34:21

Not sure if this is the right board. NYT piece by JJ and JS (link) - NDFanSince81 2023-03-23 06:33:21 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- The primary purpose of college is to get you ready - VAIrishFan1 2023-03-24 10:12:04
  - Whether this is true is dependent on a lot of class-based - tdiddy07 2023-03-24 11:59:39
  - The falsest of false equivalencies - wpkirish 2023-03-24 11:26:48
    - Research money at the top schools dwarfs sports money. - dfw 2023-03-24 15:15:15
      - John’s Hopkins pulls in more than our endowment returns - airborneirish 2023-03-24 15:36:54
        hopefully they redistribute that money properly - jt 2023-03-24 16:42:15
        Students pull in that money or professors? * - wpkirish 2023-03-24 16:03:59
        hopefully those professors who do pull in that money - jt 2023-03-24 16:44:31
      - Quesiton on Academic v. Athletic Scholarships - wpkirish 2023-03-24 15:31:32
        Same logic. Nd makes money because of the brand - airborneirish 2023-03-24 15:38:27
        But would you support requiring academic scholarship - wpkirish 2023-03-24 18:06:40
        Just give scholarships based on need only. - doolinbanjos 2023-03-25 14:52:06
        If it is the brand why do we care what recruits sign to play - wpkirish 2023-03-24 16:15:20
        the money obviously comes from both - jt 2023-03-25 11:07:40
        And when someone complains tutition is too high they say - wpkirish 2023-03-25 12:56:15
    - 85 x 85000 isn’t chump change * - airborneirish 2023-03-24 13:15:59
      - I am not saying it is and as the parent of a HS JR I would - wpkirish 2023-03-24 13:36:54
        You’re not doing the math right. At all - airborneirish 2023-03-24 14:57:04
        Seems to me everyone is coming at it from the ass end - gregmorrissey 2023-03-24 19:47:17
        it costs Notre Dame 85,000 each for 85 scholarship athletes? - jt 2023-03-24 16:32:47
        The teams bring in that revenue. - wpkirish 2023-03-24 15:18:39
        Spoiler. I think they are barely worth the scholarship at - airborneirish 2023-03-24 15:30:37
        they are worth whatever the market will bear - jt 2023-03-24 16:35:16
        Then let's open up the market - KeoughCharles05 2023-03-25 09:23:47
        It’s not going to be any different than the NFL. - smithwick 2023-03-25 13:29:44
        I’d pay Morrison $1.5M per year - MrE 2023-03-25 14:14:20
        Again, telling other people what to do - gregmorrissey 2023-03-25 11:10:57
        It's to not let them collude in ways that would be illegal - KeoughCharles05 2023-03-25 21:50:45
        it's a collectively bargained agreement - jt 2023-03-26 01:04:04
        In the early 90s, - smithwick 2023-03-24 16:12:59
        the cost of a scholarship was not 20k - jt 2023-03-24 16:37:23
        Said better, the value of compensation directly - smithwick 2023-03-24 16:59:44
        agree - jt 2023-03-24 17:07:36
        Schools are bidding on other schools' players already. - MrE 2023-03-24 15:29:00
        85000 x 85 != $5 million - airborneirish 2023-03-24 15:35:15
        "subsidizing women's sports" - jt 2023-03-24 16:40:22
        Title IX forces that does it not? * - OITLinebacker 2023-03-25 09:06:07
        once again, that's a University problem - jt 2023-03-25 11:10:04
        Eh, sane businesses wouldn't have D&A be 15% of revenue - NavyJoe 2023-03-24 16:39:32
        And spend that way because they know they dont need to pay - wpkirish 2023-03-24 16:48:11
        Yes, obviously - NavyJoe 2023-03-24 16:56:53
        I used $8M for ND FB scholarships - MrE 2023-03-24 15:38:01
        Now add in all the losses from the women’s teams - airborneirish 2023-03-24 15:28:15
        Two different issues - wpkirish 2023-03-24 15:42:08
        strangely enough, whenever you or I or anyone else asks - jt 2023-03-25 14:14:34
- I think it’s a good, well-reasoned letter - Bealanatha 2023-03-24 09:37:33
  - on the same day this was published, Swarbrick went on a - MrE 2023-03-24 11:07:51
- They didn't do a good job explaining the women's sports - VaDblDmr 2023-03-24 08:51:07
- A day(?) after emailing alums over ticket lottery donations - IrishAlum1993 2023-03-23 17:12:52
  - So true! * - Pghdomer 2023-03-23 20:07:20
- They are getting absolutely roasted by sports media today - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 13:12:55
  - Including local sports radio. - BottleofRed 2023-03-23 21:34:22
    - Whenever I want balanced, reasoned commentary - sprack 2023-03-24 10:53:08
    - That's rich, coming from sportz media. - doolinbanjos 2023-03-24 09:29:21
  - Here's an example (link) - ndzippy 2023-03-23 14:52:05
    - I think he would say ND has operated within the intent of - wpkirish 2023-03-23 15:07:58
  - Not sure about "whiney," but it ignores obvious realities... - Scoop80 2023-03-23 14:10:14
    - JS also side-stepped the money question on the Today Show - ndzippy 2023-03-23 14:32:00
      - Likely not true of any P5 schools now… - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 14:35:45
        It 💯 is true. It’s not simply revenue less coaching salary - airborneirish 2023-03-23 20:33:39
        ridiculous * - jt 2023-03-24 17:24:42
        Not true at all * - jt 2023-03-23 19:19:01
    - “Whiney” with respect to motivation not tone of article * - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 14:19:22
  - One excerpt from The Athletic - buffaloirish 2023-03-23 14:07:46
    - Basketball made $1 million. So did my septic guy - airborneirish 2023-03-23 20:12:06
    - I'm fine with the NBA abolishing the age limit. - Wooderson 2023-03-23 14:29:52
      - Isnt it the NBA who does not want high school players - wpkirish 2023-03-23 14:33:59
        Yes…NCAA football saves NFL teams a ton of money as well * - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 14:36:41
        The argument is frequently made that college is not for - IAND75 2023-03-23 14:51:05
        They've realized the value of having seasoned talent. - Wooderson 2023-03-23 14:35:57
    - "cloaked itself in nostalgia" - So true * - ndzippy 2023-03-23 14:25:56
    - exactly. It is a blatant attempt and a hail Mary pass - jt 2023-03-23 14:11:08
      - One question that I have about all of this......... - Ty Webb 2023-03-23 15:58:56
        Guessing that will be up to the schools? - smithwick 2023-03-23 16:52:13
        How are employees' kids handled? - gregmorrissey 2023-03-23 16:57:35
        how about employees themselves? - jt 2023-03-23 18:20:30
  - Come on! They’re all be too busy gushing over Jack’s glasses * - Frank Drebin 2023-03-23 13:57:54
- Yawn, more hot air from Swarbrick. - smithwick 2023-03-23 13:12:38
  - Swarbrick and Jenkins started meeting with Congress - wpkirish 2023-03-23 13:18:27
    - There's only one point to make. - smithwick 2023-03-23 13:41:11
      - I have said before NIL was implemented in part because - wpkirish 2023-03-23 13:47:57
        I don't necessarily disagree, but to me, a collective - smithwick 2023-03-23 14:11:41
        I think part of the problem is ND is trying to preserve some - wpkirish 2023-03-23 14:22:28
- There are many complications in the "pay college athletes" - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 12:07:50
  - I would argue the part time job idea. If you are looking at - wpkirish 2023-03-23 12:50:48
    - It's very obviously not part-time - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 12:57:38
      - 20 hrs per week. Part time. * - 84david 2023-03-23 20:48:59
      - Granted, for some, it;s a full time job. That said, are they - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 13:09:34
        Just take the first three words from your second paragraph - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 13:25:39
        I happen to believe getting a tax free full ride scholarship - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 13:42:12
        "Some deserve it more" - jt 2023-03-23 14:01:59
        Yes, "some deserve it more". That said, I agree there is - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 14:34:10
        To your point, - smithwick 2023-03-23 14:16:19
        You can believe that student-athletes should not be paid… - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 14:00:21
        Getting a $100,000+ value scholarship is a lot - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 14:07:49
        Are you dense? - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 14:52:04
        You would be classified as a part time employee or would - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 15:19:41
        Oh, well if you truly doubt it then... - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 15:40:05
        You have no idea what exposure I have had to D1 athletes, - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 16:08:51
        They also are among the best in the nation at their sport - wpkirish 2023-03-23 16:23:33
        Thankfully, ND has many whom are both! - Irish2003 2023-03-23 17:04:28
        I agree and at risk of being pelted with empties and pleased - wpkirish 2023-03-23 17:19:38
        I agree. More full scholarships should be offered in - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 17:13:30
        The university "profits" off some. Loses on others. As I - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 16:48:46
        you think that these schools are losing money on these - jt 2023-03-23 18:06:31
        ND football profits last year = $77M * - MrE 2023-03-23 18:29:30
        boy, hopefully they can afford to pay room and board - jt 2023-03-23 19:15:31
        How would you have the first... - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 16:59:19
        Yes, I'm aware there are non-revenue sports that compete - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 18:05:33
        Did these cousins graduate in and around the same… - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 21:03:16
        my references? - jt 2023-03-23 18:14:32
        I get the impression you exaggerate your claims to boost - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 22:01:31
        That's not my definition of full time, you're not - jt 2023-03-23 23:33:20
        I have stated the following...for most, an athletic - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 01:12:00
        Oh, and if I ran a company that wasn't profitable - jt 2023-03-24 10:52:24
        I hear Sally Struthers' trembling voice, for some reason - MrE 2023-03-24 14:04:05
        yes, we need to subsidize these failing business' - jt 2023-03-24 16:45:32
        You want to "subsidize" current college athletes with the - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 17:14:09
        you seem to be under the perception - jt 2023-03-24 17:32:03
        Bottom line, Notre Dame would have the opportunity to - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 18:15:27
        Yes, I am familiar with corporations offering 4 years of - jt 2023-03-25 13:36:23
        Does the JT Corporation pay it's employees with 40-50% of - Irishdog80 2023-03-26 00:35:10
        Have you heard of the NFL? Most of the dollars in an - Irishdog80 2023-03-26 00:31:21
        That's not the complete IRS definition - jt 2023-03-24 10:46:15
        Funny. * - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 14:15:28
        Well one thing’s for sure… - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 22:35:14
        And I apologized for my "glib" comment about part time. - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 23:05:47
        That is actually an entirely different point than what you - wpkirish 2023-03-24 11:08:21
        He's pivoting like the ncaa pivots - jt 2023-03-24 12:30:47
        I recognize college sports as we know it will likely not - wpkirish 2023-03-24 12:57:05
        I will be blunt here--I have skin in the game - jt 2023-03-24 16:48:15
        Yeah, right. With your "plan", the rich will get richer and - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 17:16:26
        I can prove you wrong quite easily - jt 2023-03-24 17:39:23
        Or a situation like the NHL experienced. The difference in - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 18:41:57
        It's honestly comical at this point. * - smithwick 2023-03-24 12:45:33
        so because it's not sustainable for most college - jt 2023-03-23 23:36:18
        Athletes have other options. Stop the straw man approach. * - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 19:16:21
        What is your definition of "full time"? * - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 17:03:32
        Here is why I dont consider it part time. - wpkirish 2023-03-23 17:17:13
        How about the off season and summer? One of my pet - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 17:52:16
        Summer practice is usually 3-4 hours per day - jt 2023-03-23 18:18:14
        I get that they work hard and it is a choice they made. Coal - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 22:07:30
        don't be obtuse - jt 2023-03-23 23:29:32
        "Athletes aren't subject to market demands" What - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 01:41:39
        So the chiefs should be able to sell that mahomes - jt 2023-03-24 10:57:58
        If you look at my posts, I am consistently for athletes - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 13:47:14
        You literally posted the ND scholarship made them - wpkirish 2023-03-24 14:24:20
        I also acknowledged I was overly "glib" in my "part time" - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 15:01:57
        They are there because they are elite at what they do. Just - wpkirish 2023-03-24 16:32:16
        What's reasonable...for every program...not just the haves? - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 17:18:52
        Why do certain colleges need to be part of a cartel running - wpkirish 2023-03-24 17:44:26
        For the most part, college athletes are well compensated. - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 19:14:26
        if it is so important to have all of these programs - jt 2023-03-24 17:42:13
        NCAA revenue sharing is a whole other discussion. I agree - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 19:18:22
        I think part of the way they do 4 classes and stay on track - wpkirish 2023-03-23 18:01:40
        Both of my sons played "travel" soccer and to a lesser - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 23:21:11
        ah, it all makes sense now. You're a mick - jt 2023-03-23 23:45:25
        Baseball players have summer league games - jt 2023-03-23 18:25:51
        We all make choices about how we spend our time. If a - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 23:11:49
        then if they can't afford to pay their employees - jt 2023-03-23 23:37:21
        The employees are being paid with an athletic scholarship - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 01:07:58
        ...which is less than what the market can bear - jt 2023-03-24 10:44:24
        You say, "The market can and does pay more". OK, prove - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 13:53:14
        right now, there are artificial (and probably illegal) - jt 2023-03-24 17:15:19
        You didn't answer my question. Look at it again. * - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 17:24:38
        I did - jt 2023-03-24 17:44:11
        You didn't. - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 18:47:02
        This is kind of strange. - MrE 2023-03-24 13:57:17
        My point is we are talking about different worlds. The - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 14:48:21
        Sounds like the free market to me. - smithwick 2023-03-24 14:58:47
        So if the college football players at the Top 50-75 programs - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 15:28:09
        I'm sorry to hear about those loss leader sports - jt 2023-03-24 17:16:55
        If the Univeristy values these items why can they fund them? - wpkirish 2023-03-24 16:36:24
        The answer, run correctly, is NIL. At most programs, - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 17:31:39
        the answer is most certainly not NIL - jt 2023-03-24 17:45:35
        We essentially agree. NIL is a tough nut to crack but is a - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 19:20:32
        I think a football player avg wage of $407,000 is fair & - MrE 2023-03-24 17:34:35
        Are you also aware NFL Practice Squad guys earn on average - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 20:44:50
        my number is light as it only gives players 40% of revenue - MrE 2023-03-24 22:36:23
        I truly thought you were just kidding around. What sort - Irishdog80 2023-03-25 12:29:39
        other industries: MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL * - MrE 2023-03-25 14:58:22
        18 yr old adults? CFB = $6B industry (the top 60 teams). - MrE 2023-03-25 14:39:56
        The most sensible step is to have the NCAA lift it's 3 year - Irishdog80 2023-03-26 00:49:47
        For who? The NFL rookie minimum is $750,000 and you - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 19:23:43
        sure it is. 50/50 rev share just like NHL, MLB, NFL, MLB - MrE 2023-03-24 22:39:01
        What should D2, D3 & NAIA football programs pay players? * - Irishdog80 2023-03-25 12:37:04
        50% of revenues, or maintain status quo. or...who cares? - MrE 2023-03-25 14:59:44
        Revenues vary by program. A 50/50 split for some would put - Irishdog80 2023-03-25 12:35:39
        What is your definition of "full time"? * - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 17:03:32
        Oh, I've got a pretty good idea alright. * - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 16:14:41
        Yeah, right. * - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 16:27:07
        And incidentally, it's not beef. - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 16:33:03
        In reading through the comments to my comment, I recognize - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 17:00:50
        if schools cannot afford sports and drop them as a result - jt 2023-03-23 19:17:41
        Attention student athletes of America, JT says it's OK if - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 23:13:47
        yes, if the schools can't afford it they should drop it - jt 2023-03-23 23:40:38
        If the billionaires decide, Notre Dame has the capacity - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 01:21:29
        Yeah, now you're starting to catch on - jt 2023-03-24 11:16:27
        But your words said the opposite. You jump back and forth - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 14:14:26
        you are simply dense - jt 2023-03-24 17:55:48
        CFB is a professional sport, a major league and industry - MrE 2023-03-24 14:20:54
        The NFL and NBA figured it out and put in salary caps and - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 15:15:19
        you know lots of nice little niche business' go out of - jt 2023-03-24 17:59:16
        The CBA story was one of greed doing a league in...a - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 18:52:39
        Now you are just being an asshole - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 15:36:26
        I agree most D1 players put in a lot of extra hours. I also - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 16:21:00
        What about kids on academic scholarship. they are getting - wpkirish 2023-03-23 16:29:49
        not really - MrE 2023-03-23 14:45:00
        you're looking at this from an ND scholarship perspective - jt 2023-03-23 14:13:16
        As I have said, "star" players/difference makers deserve - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 14:23:31
        You keep talking about the replacement athlete you do - wpkirish 2023-03-23 14:31:44
        And those 70 players or so are paid with a scholarship * - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 15:11:12
        Sadly those other 75 players would have a tough time paying - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 14:48:40
        it's honestly not as tough as you make it sound - jt 2023-03-23 17:55:59
        I am glad that you know the qualification of the students on - wpkirish 2023-03-23 16:32:15
        My comment had nothing to do with their qualifications - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 17:10:15
        you need the players to play the game - jt 2023-03-23 17:57:36
        I agree that Swarbrick and others are overpaid. He should - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 23:16:52
        boy, you sure are big on redistributing people's salaries - jt 2023-03-23 23:43:06
        Uh, funds would go back into the general scholarship fund - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 01:56:30
        right, income redistribution for the greater good - jt 2023-03-24 12:46:49
        Pick a lane. * - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 14:16:10
        learn how to read and follow along - jt 2023-03-24 18:01:53
        You have waffled between share the wealth and let the - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 18:59:08
        No, I have not - jt 2023-03-25 13:34:12
        Low Skill Jobs v Low Wage Jobs - wpkirish 2023-03-23 18:46:43
        I agree most announcers are overpaid. Back in the day, a - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 02:17:53
        I obviously agree - jt 2023-03-23 19:13:31
        The way this country works is that if your employer does - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 02:07:03
        Of course for many years the entire system was set up to - wpkirish 2023-03-24 12:45:57
        Uh, some college sports are basically part time, some are - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 14:23:24
        I am viewing it through the lens of what I think is right. - wpkirish 2023-03-24 14:47:32
        yes, their stupidity and largess cannot be used as an excuse - MrE 2023-03-24 14:55:47
        The Ivy League doesn’t have sports scholarships * - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 14:26:57
        They do, they just call it something else * - RJD 2023-03-23 14:30:28
        *Sigh* No they don't. - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 14:55:33
        Preferred admissions, not necessarily scholarships - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 14:38:51
        They are scholarships in all but name. * - smithwick 2023-03-23 14:45:43
        There are only a few schools where scholly is worth that - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 14:12:41
        Plus, pro athletes have protection from off-season stuff - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 14:02:51
        The Player's Union's negotiate that issue on the players - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 14:15:04
        Rules that are decided upon by what woud likely be termed an - wpkirish 2023-03-23 14:42:40
        CFB players should unionize & get 40%-48% of revenue - MrE 2023-03-23 14:29:29
        So what happens to the money shared with t9 then? - ravenium 2023-03-23 14:51:19
        Continue to fund those programs and their expenses - MrE 2023-03-23 15:12:09
        That's all fine and well for ND and Alabama or Texas - ravenium 2023-03-23 15:44:59
        Revenue sharing should be the model. - MrE 2023-03-23 15:49:27
        He rakes in 3 mil a year - ravenium 2023-03-23 15:58:51
        Respectfully, this post has significant errors - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 16:13:47
        fair, this was my fault for not putting more reading into it - ravenium 2023-03-23 19:58:16
        This is only "true" because this is how it was always done - wpkirish 2023-03-23 13:55:02
        There is zero TV revenue without those 2 and 3-star guys - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 13:45:30
        I don't think that's correct. They'd just prune the league. - tdiddy07 2023-03-23 14:19:42
        Are you saying people tune in to watch role players at - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 14:01:54
        Same with bench guys on NFL. - MrE 2023-03-23 14:39:04
        Agree with much of what you are saying, but. disagree about - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 15:45:41
        but maybe we just start with changing the model for CFB. - MrE 2023-03-23 15:51:59
        The concern I have is that by "changing the model", college - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 16:01:05
        There’d be no games! - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 14:05:24
        there wouldn't be a game without those guys - jt 2023-03-23 14:03:41
        Fact is, they tune in to watch star players and their team - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 14:28:29
        it doesn't matter who they are specifically tuning in for - jt 2023-03-23 17:58:42
        As a Kansas Citian, people said the Chiefs could not win - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 22:40:14
        So the three start who works his ass off every day for five - wpkirish 2023-03-23 14:40:21
        The two and three star guys are paid with scholarships of - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 15:23:57
        Agree here. It's the sports world, like the NFL or NBA etc. - MrE 2023-03-23 15:28:29
        The NFL has a minimum salary * - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 15:38:24
        Yes, I'd pay a 2- or 3-star $100,000 per year on average - MrE 2023-03-23 15:47:33
        Would the 100k for 2-3 stars apply to all D1 programs? - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 16:25:27
        I recommend $30M-40M/yr for CFB player payroll per team - MrE 2023-03-23 16:28:31
        Most of those athletic departments are funding other - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 16:36:28
        I don't know. - MrE 2023-03-23 16:37:53
        "Collateral damage" is guaranteed as all the money gets - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 17:33:59
        nobody watches the have-nots anyways. Except gamblers - MrE 2023-03-24 17:36:56
        Agreed and a potential future of college football D1 * - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 18:54:29
        He's likely appropriately compensated by his scholarship. - tdiddy07 2023-03-23 14:46:01
        The OP said he would be overpaid if they ride the bench, - wpkirish 2023-03-23 14:58:53
        Technically, they are overpaid if they don't play. Ask - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 15:26:31
        Key phrase of course being they had a choice. - wpkirish 2023-03-23 18:43:03
        He’d be compensated more with revenue sharing for players - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 14:51:52
        I don't think that's a sound assumption. - tdiddy07 2023-03-23 15:33:32
        So you are saying players should be paid for not being - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 15:30:06
        50% to players for all FRR (Football Related Revenue) - MrE 2023-03-24 16:10:30
        What sort of numbers are you saying would work for players? * - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 17:21:09
        yes, they are spending that kind of time - jt 2023-03-23 13:14:57
        For most of the year, what you described is what most - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 13:55:35
        Well the typical ND student also has the right and ability - wpkirish 2023-03-23 14:13:37
        ESPN and others have caused an explosion in content with - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 15:39:38
        I think it's funny that you're lecturing me as to the - jt 2023-03-23 14:09:49
        You have no idea who I know and what I know...so go on. - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 15:53:42
        and you have no idea who I know - jt 2023-03-23 18:02:09
        The market you describe is the old one. Though there has - Irishdog80 2023-03-24 14:34:19
        Pro athletes have revenue sharing! - NavyJoe 2023-03-23 13:59:13
        Here's a good example from a non-revenue athlete (link) - nohow 2023-03-23 13:18:46
  - it doesn't cost anywhere near that much - jt 2023-03-23 12:43:04
    - I used Kansas State costs as my basic number for public - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 13:00:30
      - so you're using a power 5 school as the basis? - jt 2023-03-23 13:12:27
        If you are a true non-Power 5 school you will not be paying - Irishdog80 2023-03-23 15:31:29
  - Why not just let the market decide then? - gregmorrissey 2023-03-23 12:33:42
    - Yep; complaining about a kid's "NIL not having market value" - ndzippy 2023-03-23 13:22:25
      - Movie producer is making decisions based on his financial - tdiddy07 2023-03-23 13:42:45
        So, who's going to assess "fair market value"? - ndzippy 2023-03-23 14:25:08
        That's a challenge but not totally insurmountable. - tdiddy07 2023-03-23 14:43:38
      - especially since the NIL money is peanuts - jt 2023-03-23 13:23:52
    - letting the market decide seems to work well for coaches - jt 2023-03-23 12:45:38
- Welcome to the party, pal * - novadamer 2023-03-23 11:33:05
- Players should get a cut of revenue - irishaddict 2023-03-23 11:04:57
- first sentence calls 23 pt. blowout a "close loss" - 31-30 2023-03-23 10:29:19
  - We lost to VT by 3 * - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 10:36:46
    - thanks, apparently my season ended with Clemson.. * - 31-30 2023-03-23 10:56:53
- Sickening - nohow 2023-03-23 09:57:56
  - The first paragraph demonstrates why that belief is wrong... - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 10:17:38
    - No it doesn't. - nohow 2023-03-23 10:38:34
      - You realize you're citing Murphy's salary from 1993, right? - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 12:17:25
        Admittedly, I did not double check Google, and - nohow 2023-03-23 12:36:11
        He got eased out due to non-performance? - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 12:47:07
        Non-performance of what? - nohow 2023-03-23 13:01:17
        He was fired for not winning enough games - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 13:18:50
        Either eliminate the money or accept that they're a business * - nohow 2023-03-23 14:01:19
- If you read the comments, they are pissing into the wind. * - TJK1998 2023-03-23 09:55:36
  - doesn't matter; it's not the intended audience - jt 2023-03-23 13:18:45
  - Black pants hide the pee stains. * - Wooderson 2023-03-23 11:03:55
  - But they look good for doing so! * - MrE 2023-03-23 10:02:12
- O'Bannon v. NCAA was filed in '09 decided in '14 and '15. - RagingBull 2023-03-23 09:54:50
  - Is it actually popular now? - IrishGeek 2023-03-23 10:38:35
    - for the most part they love NIL - jt 2023-03-23 12:50:51
- “We want to keep all the money” - MrE 2023-03-23 09:46:16
  - That’s really not what the piece says - mocopdx 2023-03-23 09:50:25
    - I don't really disagree with anything written there - jt 2023-03-23 12:37:02
      - It's a game of chicken for the NCAA members - ravenium 2023-03-23 14:23:27
    - That's a big part of it, though, right? - StetsonDan 2023-03-23 10:20:55
    - "While many female athletes have benefited from N.I.L. deals - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 10:07:00
      - I agree with you completely - jt 2023-03-23 12:47:04
    - I think it does, in multiple spots. - MrE 2023-03-23 10:00:12
      - I understand why that would be the takeaway - mocopdx 2023-03-23 10:13:47
  - It's paywalled for me. But from what I gather, I cannot - tdiddy07 2023-03-23 09:48:09
- Outstanding - KeoughCharles05 2023-03-23 09:20:37
- I have long argued that this is key - crazychester 2023-03-23 09:13:06
  - of course, but why would the NFL do that? - jt 2023-03-23 12:39:31
  - "we urge the NFL..." I'm sure that'll work! * - ndzippy 2023-03-23 09:38:26
    - This is how a debate starts - crazychester 2023-03-23 09:48:22
      - You're not asking the right question - ndzippy 2023-03-23 09:59:34
        I don't know that there needs to be a league per se - crazychester 2023-03-23 10:18:52
        And you think NFL players would vote in favor of that? - ndzippy 2023-03-23 10:33:06
        They are able to do that because Congress exempts them - KeoughCharles05 2023-03-23 10:45:21
        very good point - jt 2023-03-23 14:06:48
        Good question. Does any leverage exist here to push the... - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 10:09:53
        Could all colleges ban Google from recruiting on campus? - ndzippy 2023-03-23 10:17:14
  - Completely Agree * - localirishfan 2023-03-23 09:36:21
  - It's about time - The Flash 2023-03-23 09:32:08
  - Bingo * - KeoughCharles05 2023-03-23 09:20:50
- What did JJ and JS expect? You reap what you sow. - SWPaDem 2023-03-23 08:21:49
- JJ & JS were both just featured on The Today Show - ndzippy 2023-03-23 08:09:04
  - Here's a link to the video (link) - ndzippy 2023-03-23 09:35:11
  - They are both scheduled to be on The Gong Show next week * - Frank Drebin 2023-03-23 08:28:18
    - Which one will be wearing a brown bag ? * - Drunkenmick 2023-03-23 12:18:07
    - Can't wait to see Jack Jack the Unremarkable Weather Machine * - SWPaDem 2023-03-23 08:48:33
- At first glance, a lot to like in here. * - FL_Irish 2023-03-23 07:35:55
  - Agreed - crazychester 2023-03-23 09:16:25

RIP Mike Kadish * - nostraDONus 2023-03-22 18:42:41 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- He lived in Pangborn, on the section facing the golf course - dbldomer7375 2023-03-23 07:02:28
- God rest his soul - Camarillo Brillo 2023-03-23 06:49:41
- Mike used to hit balls on the driving range at Quail Ridge - ND74KJS 2023-03-22 21:32:00
  - I always pointed out his plaque on the wall at Van Andel - graNDfan 2023-03-23 10:59:07
- Sad news. He was great. Kadish #72. * - Homeboy73 2023-03-22 18:59:34
  - Can someone add a little more about him? - DrunkenIrishPoet 2023-03-22 23:23:22
    - I had the same question - GoonSquad 2023-03-23 00:09:36
      - Don’t recall meeting him but by all accounts a great guy - Moff 2023-03-23 00:12:58
        Thanks for that link - GoonSquad 2023-03-23 00:37:14
        My pleasure. Just Googled quite a bit and not a lot - Moff 2023-03-23 00:43:52
        Not suprisingly, Olson had a story about him several years - Moff 2023-03-23 00:36:45
        I was thinking about trying to invoke olson - GoonSquad 2023-03-23 00:40:30
        Olson is the best. * - Moff 2023-03-23 00:47:53
        Agreeance * - GoonSquad 2023-03-23 00:49:45
        Below are some quotes from a 2001 article on Kadish - Moff 2023-03-23 01:57:23
        thanks for posting that - jt 2023-03-23 02:13:00
        I agree. I didn’t want to want to quote too much from the - Moff 2023-03-23 02:34:30
        and the game is just one day - jt 2023-03-23 12:38:34

Notre Dame's Over/Under for wins in 2023 is 8.5. (link) - rkellyatrecess 2023-03-22 16:19:44 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- That sounds about right to me. - tdiddy07 2023-03-23 11:42:38
- Some reasons to be a little more optimistic - Camarillo Brillo 2023-03-23 06:53:27
- Same over under as last year, correct? * - G.K.Chesterton 2023-03-22 23:11:07
- Seems low. They are saying ND loses to SC, OSU and Clem - DomerJon 2023-03-22 17:57:22
- So they're not buying that we'll be a top 10 team. * - VaDblDmr 2023-03-22 17:06:13
  - Is anyone here? * - Colonel Mustard 2023-03-22 17:36:02
    - I think we’ve got a good shot. * - The Beef 2023-03-22 19:04:27
      - Don't look now but our offensive staff is highly - ACross 2023-03-22 21:08:51
        Some people pay to inhale such a fragrance * - LAW83 2023-03-23 13:55:07

Walters, Riley, Bryan n C Johnson no longer with team * - ND Harvey 2023-03-22 12:26:13 [Tag Thread]

Chris Tyree working w/slot receivers today - bsuryn 2023-03-22 10:58:17 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- Glad to hear, but why'd it take so long to figure this out? * - Georgia Hog 2023-03-22 11:03:29
  - Agree. It was so obvious. * - Ironcityirish 2023-03-22 12:53:20
  - Diggs/Price injuries might have delayed the change - irishlaw2010 2023-03-22 11:32:57
    - Yep, also by the time Diggs was healthy - IndianaIrish131131 2023-03-23 09:31:42
    - Yep, also by the time Diggs was healthy - IndianaIrish131131 2023-03-23 00:26:32
    - Not to mention Tyree ran for 500 yards as a freshman. - tdiddy07 2023-03-22 14:20:35
    - Good summary * - Jvan 2023-03-22 14:03:32

Noles want to be "Be Irish" too - RJD 2023-03-22 10:12:42 [Tag Thread]

Will Schweitzer is retiring due to a medical issue. - mustangman 2023-03-22 10:01:09 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- This thread is borderline conspiracy theory stuff. - 84david 2023-03-24 10:02:41
- Really tawdry * - ACross 2023-03-22 22:58:30
- Now at 87 scholarships, with 5+ months to get to 85. * - rkellyatrecess 2023-03-22 12:04:04
  - Don't they need to kick 2 more off the team by May? - MrE 2023-03-22 18:20:43
- Alternately, he has no scholarship and because he had injury - tdiddy07 2023-03-22 10:11:16
  - Schweitzer posted on twitter that he has a heart condition. - irishaddict 2023-03-22 12:05:20
    - obviously we wish him the very best... - DavidAddison 2023-03-22 17:27:19
      - he said he had a medical event in Sept - vivaflanner 2023-03-23 00:05:28
        PFO- Calling Dr. Cash - RJD 2023-03-23 10:04:39
        Are you saying Schweitzer’s injury may not be serious? * - MrE 2023-03-23 10:37:18
        Pretty much based on our experience - RJD 2023-03-23 14:23:57
        interesting... * - MrE 2023-03-23 15:36:03
        Not the first Schweitzer to demonstrate Reverence for Life (link) - Moff 2023-03-23 03:31:45
  - Justin Walters also "medically retired*" per Freeman today. - MrE 2023-03-22 10:29:10
    - Ron Powlus III also "medically retired" today. - MrE 2023-03-22 10:41:54
      - We need a blue ribbon commission to investigate this sudden - FL_Irish 2023-03-22 11:40:43
        blame the turf * - DBCooper 2023-03-22 13:46:33
        It's all very massaged, I'm sure - gordonbombay 2023-03-22 13:34:09
        especially when coaches are involved in "helping" a player - MrE 2023-03-22 18:55:26
        You know it really is possible - sprack 2023-03-23 00:29:07
        no doubt - Cam Hart, Eli Raridon, Kevin Bauman. - MrE 2023-03-23 08:25:30
        probably a bit of both, to be honest - jt 2023-03-23 00:34:05
        Yes, but I do find it interesting that - sprack 2023-03-23 09:24:08
  - I did have him on the list - RJD 2023-03-22 10:16:34
    - Practice report note from today (Irish Illustrated) - MrE 2023-03-22 10:17:06
      - cutting AK would be a foolish mistake - jt 2023-03-22 11:37:53
        Your fellow 49er agrees; IMO, AK will be a star.... * - Irish2003 2023-03-23 00:46:40
        Agreed. The whiff on transfer Fiske appears to have - MrE 2023-03-22 12:53:24
        well, it is too bad for those guys - jt 2023-03-22 12:55:39
        Freeman discussed the DL today after practice - MrE 2023-03-22 21:33:59
        So the hypothetical cut that caused much wailing - airborneirish 2023-03-22 12:29:17
        hasn't happened yet * - jt 2023-03-22 12:50:51
        So you’re saying one random Twitter post - dulac89 2023-03-22 12:33:26
        you are certainly entitled to your opinion - jt 2023-03-22 15:34:41
      - Pulling for the big presence in the middle * - RJD 2023-03-22 10:43:08
        will be interesting to see how much more portal shopping - MrE 2023-03-22 11:35:10

Just got an email from ND warning me I haven't donated the - boomer80 2023-03-21 11:52:56 [Tag Thread] [Show All]
- I haven’t gotten one since I wrote “$0.00” and “over” - Gort 2023-03-22 20:48:04
- spam folder. * - 84david 2023-03-22 17:18:25
- They send text messages now!! - shea 2023-03-22 09:27:39
  - They will soon start ringing your doorbell at dinner time * - Frank Drebin 2023-03-22 10:05:33
- I'm waiting for the "ND Be Irish" pin, sticker or sox offer. * - caber 2023-03-22 06:25:34
- When you learn the call is coming from inside the house, - G.K.Chesterton 2023-03-21 22:46:49
- Got a bullet proof vest with newspaper wrapped fish inside - Frank Drebin 2023-03-21 20:56:51
- I got a physical letter. Now they’re out $200.60. * - Giggity_Giggity 2023-03-21 19:34:43
- I got an email that said “hello is anybody out there?” * - OldIrishFan 2023-03-21 18:46:20
  - Mine said, "Any good deli in NYC? This is a test." * - ThreeD 2023-03-21 19:22:53
    - If you don’t eat your meat how can you have any pudding? * - naptown 2023-03-21 19:24:46
      - Oh, he hung up. That's your residence, right? - jt 2023-03-21 19:59:20
        Hello * - PWK2 2023-03-22 08:34:38
        It's me. - SWPaDem 2023-03-22 10:16:13
- I don't buy tickets through ND anymore - dulac89 2023-03-21 17:57:54
- I got a little black book, with my poems in it - tar 2023-03-21 16:22:40
- Theo Epstein ain’t walking through that door - airborneirish 2023-03-21 15:22:53
- I never get my ticket alerts from ND - El Kabong 2023-03-21 15:06:09
  - Same for me. They have 3-5 systems with email info - Btd 2023-03-23 00:10:51
  - Same for me * - Pat85 2023-03-21 16:01:36
- Be Irish! * - jbrown_9999 2023-03-21 14:04:39
  - Don't JUST Be Irish...Be Notre Dame Irish - notred-man 2023-03-21 18:03:53
- Fair warning - Porpoiseboy 2023-03-21 14:03:38
- Unless you really want OSU tickets - manofdillon 2023-03-21 13:51:41
  - I'd like Louisville tix * - El Kabong 2023-03-22 15:08:53
- I want my $200. - Finn_MacCool 2023-03-21 13:12:32
  - Do you have any idea what the street value of this - Wooderson 2023-03-22 10:44:03
  - Ricky, I'm sorry your Mom blew up! * - irishomar 2023-03-21 13:52:58
    - Yeah Oscar Meyer...I think that's a fine idea * - MR_IRISH 2023-03-21 15:31:13
- I’m still sizing up the apron * - rfk 2023-03-21 12:42:10
- This might actually be the year though! * - BillShakespeare 2023-03-21 11:57:56
  - What better place than here? What better time than now?!!! - SWPaDem 2023-03-21 12:52:12
    - Turn that $#!^ up! * - Irishdog80 2023-03-21 13:22:06
  - Nice! * - boomer80 2023-03-21 12:15:52

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