It is. It’s also counter productive to fire all of the

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Continuing the pandemic hurts worse * - sprack 2021-10-19 12:07:37
What result will it produce? Where will those people work? - hscorpio 2021-10-19 09:21:39
- Maybe they will join the ranks of those sucking the teat of - tar 2021-10-19 10:34:53
  - The benefits ended, no? - hscorpio 2021-10-19 11:09:08
    - Well the labor shortage hasn’t resolved and it’s about to - tar 2021-10-19 12:39:28
      - The wage scarcity problem? Hopefully bootstraps are in stock * - hscorpio 2021-10-19 13:35:08
  - They already have - rumrunner 2021-10-19 10:41:29
    - About 1/3 of my workforce is unvaxxed - tar 2021-10-19 10:45:31
      - So you'll lose employees with no common sense. - GoldCoastIrish 2021-10-19 19:06:24
      - Is the mandate a law? If not maybe you can keep them * - 2020 2021-10-19 13:30:37
        It’s an executive order * - tar 2021-10-19 13:51:11
      - And I’ll bet 90% of the 1/3 will get vaxxed and won’t quit - sprack 2021-10-19 12:09:29
        You’ll lose that bet * - tar 2021-10-19 12:41:29
        Let us know in December - sprack 2021-10-19 14:12:37
        I will be sure to. My employees aren’t Tyson - tar 2021-10-19 14:47:42
        Wrong again. The Tyson deadline is November 1 - sprack 2021-10-19 17:31:44
      - The pandemic would be over - rumrunner 2021-10-19 10:52:58
        Curious, is there any scientific evidence supporting that - RoccoGlobboSchoolForWomen 2021-10-19 11:55:20
        Yeah there is. Portugal, Denmark, Norway - sprack 2021-10-19 12:10:53
        No, it would not be over. This is endemic -- it will never - btd 2021-10-19 11:00:04
        Your last line is wrong - DBCooper 2021-10-19 11:32:42
        This data is changing, and not in your favor * - CGirish 2021-10-20 00:13:05
        Prove that with a link * - DBCooper 2021-10-20 06:35:21
        Read closer - rumrunner 2021-10-19 11:04:59
        It already is over. It has been over. We are just refusing - btd 2021-10-19 11:09:02
        Infections and hospitalizations are still near peak - Allumeuse 2021-10-19 16:39:22
        Hospital ERs would likely disagree with you * - ravenium 2021-10-19 13:42:50
      - The country is suffering due to the unvaxxed. - No Right Turn on Red 2021-10-19 10:52:17
      - Or they could submit to testing - OldRasputin 2021-10-19 10:50:25
        Testing is not an option for the federal mandate * - tar 2021-10-19 10:55:17
        It most certainly is, you are flat out wrong * - Allumeuse 2021-10-19 16:39:59
        You are incorrect. Testing is not an option in this case. - Giggity_Giggity 2021-10-20 09:23:25
        Please tell me more about something I obviously know less - tar 2021-10-19 21:54:32
        Yes, it is. - ndroman21 2021-10-19 11:31:16
        No it isn’t. The OSHA rule is not in play yet. - tar 2021-10-19 12:46:59
        Correct. Just sent out our 10/27 reminder to folks. * - Giggity_Giggity 2021-10-19 13:14:01
        Are you experiencing pushback? What % do you think might - tar 2021-10-19 13:52:22
        Some, yes. But we are located in one of the most… - Giggity_Giggity 2021-10-19 14:54:44
        I find this resistance fascinating. - GoldCoastIrish 2021-10-19 19:08:40
        Amen brother. Amen. * - Giggity_Giggity 2021-10-19 19:37:16
        Got it, didn't realize your business is a federal contractor * - ndroman21 2021-10-19 13:03:24
        Me neither. Until last week. * - tar 2021-10-19 13:05:50
        What are you talking about? - OldRasputin 2021-10-19 11:01:05
        Hahahahhaha * - airborneirish 2021-10-19 13:28:36
        Get back to packing your moving boxes. * - OldRasputin 2021-10-20 10:14:21
        see above. Mandate for any company that is considered a - tar 2021-10-19 12:48:06
        Then your company should stop - OldRasputin 2021-10-19 12:52:15
        I would love to stop selling to them - tar 2021-10-19 12:57:59
        Soooo…..you’re hiring is a what I’m picking up here? * - The Holtz Room 2021-10-19 20:07:07
        Yes. How are your sanitary TIG welding skills? * - tar 2021-10-19 21:55:16
        I’d say strong……….to quite strong. - The Holtz Room 2021-10-19 23:19:13
        I applaud your company's - OldRasputin 2021-10-19 13:00:56
- Any private practice will hire them. Nurses in particular - btd 2021-10-19 10:33:19
  - there's a massive pay difference - jt 2021-10-19 14:00:42
  - I’m not talking about nurses. - tar 2021-10-19 10:47:46
    - So why aren’t people in these industries getting vaccinated? * - The Holtz Room 2021-10-19 20:10:05
    - health care workers will NOT get unemployment in NY - fourputtmd 2021-10-19 16:23:05
    - this thread is constrained to the healthcare industry - btd 2021-10-19 11:06:32
      - I was quite clear in this subthread, which I started. * - tar 2021-10-19 12:48:48
      - Not for long - StetsonDan 2021-10-19 11:42:54
        They’ve issued the draft rule. Waiting on approval from - tar 2021-10-19 12:50:32
    - Or they will get the shot - rumrunner 2021-10-19 10:54:07
It’s counter-productive to refuse vaccination. - ndroman21 2021-10-19 09:06:38
- No. the quickest path is to recognize natural immunity plus - btd 2021-10-19 10:37:17
  - Oh, good, btd's back. * * - Ofcr. Tim McCarthy 2021-10-19 10:55:47
    - Worst Covid prognosticator on NDN? - rumrunner 2021-10-19 11:01:44
      - I believe that was Steelhop * - OldRasputin 2021-10-19 11:42:02
      - he didnt say less than 5,000 (IIRC) - DBCooper 2021-10-19 11:36:36
      - That's him * - nd06seattle09 2021-10-19 11:27:57
  - Making a run at the title in the original post, eh? - bwahmeister 2021-10-19 10:55:32
    - Appropriately, I said "Bwah ha ha" to this post * - Allumeuse 2021-10-19 16:43:28
- The hospital’s policy maker has no ability to change minds - RoccoGlobboSchoolForWomen 2021-10-19 09:22:19
  - hospitals don't have the choice, there is a state mandate - jt 2021-10-19 11:31:30
    - That was explained to me below - RoccoGlobboSchoolForWomen 2021-10-19 11:56:12
  - You don't get to opine on what's evil. * - Ofcr. Tim McCarthy 2021-10-19 10:56:55
    - Glad to see you haven't blocked me * - roccoglobboschoolforwomen 2021-10-19 11:50:36
  - You understand hospitals do more than treat COVID patients, - pmcdnd96 2021-10-19 10:05:04
  - and yet if they all got vaccinated you probably wouldnt have - DBCooper 2021-10-19 09:39:34
    - You have no way to enact your “obvious solution” - RoccoGlobboSchoolForWomen 2021-10-19 10:29:49
      - well ok, at least you are asking the right question there - DBCooper 2021-10-19 10:46:35
      - "Now, how do you make them?" - GoldCoastIrish 2021-10-19 10:35:09
        Exactly. You fired them. You didn’t make them get vaccinated - RoccoGlobboSchoolForWomen 2021-10-19 10:39:04
        That's fine, but now you've eliminated the problem. - GoldCoastIrish 2021-10-19 11:43:03
        You fired some, overall you won, though - mocopdx 2021-10-19 10:41:37
        Nurse shortages doesn't sound like winning * - roccoglobboschoolforwomen 2021-10-19 11:47:45
  - what happens if med professionals don't want to use soap? * - El capitan 2021-10-19 09:37:45
    - So glad you asked. (link) (link) - GoldCoastIrish 2021-10-19 09:50:29
  - The hospital has no choice - StetsonDan 2021-10-19 09:36:24
    - It's not evil to require someone that isn't immune to get - btd 2021-10-19 10:44:39
      - 3 things in response - StetsonDan 2021-10-19 11:43:04
        I mentioned #3 as well on the nurses discussion above - DBCooper 2021-10-19 12:15:49
    - I appreciate the perspective - RoccoGlobboSchoolForWomen 2021-10-19 10:22:21
      - What about patients with cancer or auto-immune disorder? - StetsonDan 2021-10-19 10:49:42
        Is it not possible to treat those type of patients with - RoccoGlobboSchoolForWomen 2021-10-19 12:17:40
        No, it's not possible - StetsonDan 2021-10-19 12:58:17
        I appreciate your engagement here - roccoglobboschoolforwomen 2021-10-19 13:38:15
    - Your last paragraph is spot on. * - No Right Turn on Red 2021-10-19 09:40:26
  - The nurses are unbelievably irresponsible. - ndroman21 2021-10-19 09:33:33
  - Evil policy - OldRasputin 2021-10-19 09:32:12
  - My wife's colleague would have preferred none at all. - PFightingIrish 2021-10-19 09:30:33
  - Having had a recent multi-day hospital experience... - GoldCoastIrish 2021-10-19 09:29:59
  - What other policy is evil? - mocopdx 2021-10-19 09:29:28
    - You’re entangled in the political perspective - RoccoGlobboSchoolForWomen 2021-10-19 10:18:40
      - Three things - mocopdx 2021-10-19 10:26:14
        You linked 13 month old data now disproven - btd 2021-10-19 10:55:17
        Jesus Christ, what an insane link * - Allumeuse 2021-10-19 16:46:05
        You should be banned for - OldRasputin 2021-10-19 11:04:07
        At least he provided a citation to something * - nd06seattle09 2021-10-19 13:28:25
        I think no citation would have been better in this case - Allumeuse 2021-10-19 16:46:39
        I see your point - nd06seattle09 2021-10-19 18:38:56
        At least he responds when questioned * - DBCooper 2021-10-19 18:42:15
        You realize the article says "Sept 2021"? - mocopdx 2021-10-19 10:58:21
        Responses - RoccoGlobboSchoolForWomen 2021-10-19 10:38:17
        Thankfully - OldRasputin 2021-10-19 10:53:08
      - "superior natural immunity" - OldRasputin 2021-10-19 10:22:54
      - Do nurses only treat and interact with COVID patients? * * - ndroman21 2021-10-19 10:21:52
Then they should just get vaccinated. - GoldCoastIrish 2021-10-19 09:05:14